A Catholic Looks at Baptists

You can skip this introduction and go directly to the discussion if you want.

For many years, I have been interested in learning what Baptists were all about. Several events in my life involving Baptist friends and colleagues recently convinced me to find out while I still had time. I found this devilishly difficult to do.

First of all, while Baptists as a group sometimes seem forthright in protesting Catholic traditions, I found them generally somewhat more circumspect in explaining their articles of faith. My honest endeavors to engage Baptists of my acquaintance in meaningful theological dialogue often ended in the Baptist shaking his finger at me and shouting, "You Catholics are all going to HELL! This did not appear to me to be conducive to Christian unity. (John 13:35) Answers to my sincere attempts to find out: 1) "What do Baptists believe?" and 2) "Do Catholics agree?" seemed to be: 1) "Catholics are all going to hell (where all the dead popes are)," and 2) "Hell, NO!"

Not an auspicious beginning!

In the spirit of Matthew 10:22, I decided to undertake a thorough study of available literature in a naive belief that there is a compendium of faith for Baptists something like the Catechism of the Catholic Church for Catholics. Turns out, I was mistaken. To know what Baptists believe, one has to specify which Baptists. They do not, as far as I can tell, codify their doctrine into a single document, much less agree with one another about what such a document hypothetically might say. Rats!

I did find it informative, however, to trace the historical evolution of the Baptist religion from its Calvinist and Reformation roots to the present day, taking the Baptist Confession of 1689 and The Baptist Faith and Message - 2000 as my end points. The theology of every Baptist I have encountered appears to fall somewhere between these extremes.

This document is the result of that study.

The Baptist Confession of 1689 was composed at a time of fierce persecution of Baptists when they were struggling to assert their religious identity with respect to everybody else. Catholics, with considerably more resources at their disposal, did something similar about a hundred years previously in the Council of Trent, which condemned, censured, criticized, denounced, reviled, blamed, chastised, berated, reprimanded, rebuked, reproved, castigated, incriminated, convicted, inculpated, and damned anyone and everyone who claimed to be Christian but not Catholic. It is not surprising that the Baptists, children of the Reformation, replied in kind. Had there been any Baptists at the time, Trent would no doubt have reviled them by name; including, probably, their spouses, children, relatives, friends, neighbors, servants, pets, livestock, and the horses they rode in on. Baptists were saved from this discourtesy only by the fact that the earliest recorded Baptist pastor was John Smyth, a devout English Separatist born seven years after the close of the final session of Trent. The Lord works in mysterious ways....

Attempts to undo the divisiveness of Trent were frustrated by the rise of European nationalism. The Vatican Council (known nowadays as the First Vatican Council) was convened on June 29th, 1868 and effectively came to an abrupt end when the Franco-Prussian War broke out, Napoleon III was captured, the Kingdom of Italy annexed Rome, and the attending bishops decided it imprudent to attempt to cross battle lines to get back to besieged Rome after their summer break. The only lasting impact the Council had was to formalize the definition of the teaching authority of the pope, which was not really in dispute anyway.

This is the cultural legacy to the "old" (Latin-speaking) Catholic Church in which I was raised.

On October 9th 1958, while I was starting Saint Ambrose Catholic College, Pope Pius XII, a frail, bookish philosopher, died. He had led the Church through World War II and the Korean War. With war in Indochina on the horizon, old Pius simply dropped dead from a heart attack, brought on by total exhaustion. The Chair of Peter was reoccupied only 19 days later when fat, jolly, 82 year old, peasant Angelo Ciuseppo Cardinal Roncalli was elected Pope John XXIII (now Pope Saint John XXIII). There was widespread feeling among Catholics (and others) that the cardinals decided early on that they would have trouble agreeing on whom to elect, so they chose an old man likely to sit in his rocking chair, stare out the window, and last only long enough for them to reach a consensus on whom they really wanted. If they thought that, they couldn't have been more wrong!

Pope John turned the Catholic Church on its ear! He formally closed the Vatican Council and announced his intention to convene a Second Vatican Council (yea!) which would recognize the validity of other religions (boo!), accept that the Reformation was over (yea!), invite Protestant observers (boo!), rectify the divisiveness of Trent (yea!), change or eliminate long standing traditions (boo!), and bring the almost two thousand year old "Roman" Catholic Church, kicking and screaming if necessary, into the 20th Century. (Yea!) Over the last half century, the entire lifetime of most of us, The "Post Vatican II" Church has been "The Catholic Church."

Meanwhile Baptists were undergoing their own metamorphoses, including the publication of two modern versions of the Bible, the American Standard Version and the Revised Standard Version. The end result of this activity, in my neighborhood at least, may be The Baptist Faith and Message, adopted on June 14th, 2000, by the the Southern Baptist Convention. This seems to be the extant latest summary of the faith of Southern Baptists, and perhaps others as well. My commentary on this document begins at THE BAPTIST FAITH AND MESSAGE, below.

While the Confession of 1689 is certainly long past its copyright date, if any, The Baptist Faith and Message is copyrighted by the Southern Baptist Convention, and may not legally be reprinted here without permission. For this reason, my comments on the Confession include the text of the Confession itself, while those on the Faith and Message include only the list of Scriptural references. It's probably just as well, since, with a few notable exceptions, the chief disagreements between the Baptist and Catholic religions are in the Confessions, reflecting the feeling of those times. Modern Baptists are more conciliatory, as, hopefully, are Catholics.

My perusal of these documents leads me to the following conclusions:

Baptists and Catholics believe in one God, the Father Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all things visible and invisible. We believe in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Only Begotten Son of God, born of the Father before all ages. God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father; through him all things were made. For us men and for our salvation he came down from heaven, and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary, and became man. For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate, he suffered death and was buried, and rose again on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures. He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead and his kingdom will have no end. We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son, who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified, who has spoken through the prophets. We believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church.* We confess one baptism for the forgiveness of sins* and we look forward to the resurrection of the dead and the life of the world to come.
* We disagree somewhat concerning the precise meaning of these two phrases, however.

Where we seem to differ substantially is in the infallible interpretation of Scripture. Catholics believe this infallibility is in the teaching authority of the Church, whose spokesman is the pope, as defined (for the resolution of any misunderstanding of the concept) by the (First) Vatican Council. Having no such central teaching authority, Baptists appear to view their infallible interpretation as being a matter of individual conscience under the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

This disagreement is fundamental, and leads to additional interfaith misunderstanding as well, Catholics learn theology at a young age. Since they rely on their Church to tell them how Scripture applies to present-day beliefs, they learn Scripture later, if at all. Baptists begin their religious formation learning Scripture, from which they derive their personal theology much later, with less authoritative interpretation, if any, from their clergy. In religious discussions, the average Catholic is often not able to explain his faith's Scriptural underpinnings, the understanding of which is absolutely critical for Baptists. The idea that Catholics are discouraged (much less forbidden) from reading the bible, however, is a misunderstanding propagated by the Reformers, and has no basis in fact.

A much more significant divergence is our disagreement on the nature of man and salvation. Catholics consider man as basically good, made in the image and likeness of God, in, among other things, having the natural faculties of intellect, free will, and the desire to love, seek God, and do good. We believe that the sins of all mankind were atoned for by Christ's death on the Cross. Therefore absolutely everyone, without any exception whatever, has the capability of being saved by cooperating with the grace freely offered to him by Almighty God in whatever form or manner He chooses, in His wisdom and love, to dispense it. (I Timothy 2:4) We understand salvation not as an event, but a process, worked out by "fear and trembling" (Philippians 2:12), not guaranteed of our final victory until the moment of death. Hopefully, we achieve the goal of dying imbued with the saving redemption of Christ and achieving our eternal reward.

We also disagree regarding the purpose, meaning, significance and effect of the "ordinances" (called "sacraments" by Catholics) of Baptism and the Lord's Supper. I have attempted to clarify these differences in this document.

Of course, there are probably other positions on which Baptists and Catholics agree and disagree generally that are not addressed in these references. Beliefs of individual Baptists and Catholics, and the extent to which they influence our lives and relationships, may be fertile subjects for further discussions as well.

I am not trying to convert anyone, or get into arguments or debates about who is right and who is wrong about what; there's been too much of that already. What I present here is my attempt to examine Baptist philosophy from a Catholic perspective. Maybe Catholics and Baptists can find in this an opportunity to find some common ground, and agree to set the things that might divide them aside. I hope so.

We Catholics find the idea of making a choice to take Jesus as our Savior to be incompatible with the notion of predestination implied by the use of the term "elect." My Baptist friends seem to be mostly "pro-choice." Most of them seem to believe that it is possible (and apparently necessary) to be saved by taking Christ as your Savior, not by having been predestined for heaven regardless of what you do. It may be that Baptist thinking generally has evolved over time from a belief in strict Calvinism to a more Arminianistic attitude. In either case, we note that John 14:6 says that Christ is the way, the truth, and the life, and that no man cometh unto the Father, but by him. Catholics do not find an assertion that anybody has to know or say that, or that Jesus did not die to save all sinners. Genesis 1:27 says that God created man. It does not say that one has to know or say that to exist, either.

I'm probably just confused. Readers are invited to email me if they feel they can resolve this apparent dilemma.

In what follows, I have framed my comments to separate them from the referenced text. For those who might want to have a friendly (!) dialogue, the "Questions? Comments?" link at the right side of each box will (hopefully) open a blank email with my address on it. You can then fill in your question or comment and click "SEND." I will try to respond.

Scriptural links are to books of the King James Version that I have put on my Internet server for my own use. They have links to the New American Bible, Revised Edition and similar statements in the Koran. They should open so that the target reference of the link is at the top, except when it is near the bottom of the document being viewed. Of course, there are several excellent Bible references on the Internet, and one can always use his own Bible (whatever version he chooses) and look up the references himself.

If anyone finds a bad link in the references, or any other typographical error, I would appreciate it if he would email me. I have only the Holy Spirit to help me with this, and He's very busy with other things!

I should perhaps point out that I am not a member of any clergy or an official representative of any organization. I am a Catholic layman who has been around long enough to realize that I don't know everything, but I do know more about certain things than some other people. I think we should all share what we have with our neighbors who have less (or none). If you would like to know more about me, go to http://lindorfer.us/wizard/.

The world today appears to be stumbling through the darkness of ignorance, bigotry, hopelessness, intolerance, and sin. We Catholics have a saying, attributed to Confucius, "It is better to light a little candle than to curse the darkness."

This is mine.

God bless!

John Lindorfer


THE BAPTIST CONFESSION OF FAITH OF 1689 WITH SCRIPTURE PROOFS
Put forth by the Elders and Brethren of many Congregations of Christians
(baptized upon profession of their faith) in London and the Country.
"...for with the heart man believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the
mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation." Romans 10:10

CONTENTS

1. Of the Holy Scriptures14. Of Saving Faith23. Of Lawful Oaths and Vows
2. Of God and the Holy Trinity   15. Of Repentance unto Life24. Of the Civil Magistrate
3. Of God's Decree   and Salvation25. Of Marriage
4. Of Creation16. Of Good Works26. Of the Church
5. Of Divine Providence17. Of the Perseverance27. Of the Communion of Saints
6. Of the Fall of Man, of Sin,    of the Saints28. Of Baptism and the Lord's
   and of the Punishment 18. Of the Assurance of Grace      Supper
   thereof   and Salvation29. Of Baptism
7. Of God's Covenant19. Of the Law of God30. Of the Lord's Supper
8. Of Christ the Mediator20. Of the Gospel and the 31. Of the State of Man after
9. Of Free Will   Extent of Grace thereof   Death, and of the
10. Of Effectual Calling21. Of Christian Liberty and   Resurrection of the Dead
11. Of Justification   Liberty of Conscience32. Of the Last Judgment
12. Of Adoption22. Of Religious Worship and 
13. Of Sanctification   the Sabbath Day 

THE BAPTIST CONFESSION OF FAITH

CHAPTER 1; OF THE HOLY SCRIPTURES

Paragraph 1. The Holy Scripture is the only sufficient, certain, and infallible rule of all saving knowledge, faith, and obedience, (II Timothy 3:15-17; Isaiah 8:20; Luke 16:29, 31; Ephesians 2:20) although the light of nature, and the works of creation and providence do so far manifest the goodness, wisdom, and power of God, as to leave men inexcusable; yet they are not sufficient to give that knowledge of God and His will which is necessary unto salvation. (Romans 1:19-21, 2:14, 15; Psalms 19:1-3) Therefore it pleased the Lord at sundry times and in diversified manners to reveal Himself, and to declare (that) His will unto His church; (Hebrews 1:1) and afterward for the better preserving and propagating of the truth, and for the more sure establishment and comfort of the church against the corruption of the flesh, and the malice of Satan, and of the world, to commit the same wholly unto writing; which makes the Holy Scriptures to be most necessary, those former ways of God's revealing His will unto His people being now completed. (Proverbs 22:19-21; Romans 15:4; II Peter 1:19, 20)

Catholics share with Baptists a reverence for Scripture as the Word of God, but we may differ in our understanding of exactly what that means. Catholic theology, more than that of Baptists, seems to me to be based more on the Gospels than on the Epistles or Old Testament. Catholics maintain that God inspired the human authors of the sacred books, acting in them and by them, so that as true authors, they consigned to writing whatever He wanted written, and no more. We do not, however, maintain that the modern publications known as "bibles" contain all of God's word, or that the word they do contain is necessarily free from errors in typography, copying, translation, transcription, selection of which documents are or should be included in the first place, or how it should be understood. One has only to visit a Christian book store to find not only a vast array of "bibles," but a plethora of study guides, commentaries, exegeses, and other works claiming to "explain" or "interpret" the Word of God. Indeed, some "bibles" appear to be written for the express purpose of changing what the publishers didn't agree with in previous ones. Open a bible and look at the publisher. It is not "God," it is more likely to be something like Holman Bible Publishers of Nashville, Tennessee, Benzinger Brothers, or the American Bible Society, all of whom are at least capable of introducing errors, deliberately or otherwise.

However originally inspired by God, modern Bibles are, more or less, incomplete compendia of often politically motivated translations of the cultural literature of an ancient Semitic people, whom we call "Jews." They contain folk tales, poetry, anecdotal history, philosophical musings, vague predictions, personal letters and ethical exhortations from ancient history. Their views on biology, cosmology and other sciences, developed after they were written, are at best misleading, and at worst totally wrong. The entire text is, to the unlearned, often vague, confusing, contradictory and obfuscatory, and careful analyses by the most learned scholars over at least the last fifteen centuries are violently contradictory. The multiplicity of modern Christian religions is ample proof that modern bibles do not accurately portray the meaning or intent of the ancient inspired originals, and that what passes for Scripture today can be, and frequently is, understood solely as the reader chooses.

Perhaps the fundamental difference between Catholic and Baptist understanding is found in the Catholic belief that Scripture is neither necessary nor sufficient for salvation. We consider that Jesus came to earth and died to save all human beings, including those who have no opportunity whatever to know even that Scripture exists, much less to understand its message. We also maintain that if one knows everything about Scripture, yet has not charity, he is nothing. I Corinthians 13:1-8

Catholics read Scripture within the living Tradition of the whole Church, written in the Church's heart, rather than in documents and records. It is the Church, operating in the modern world under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, that guarantees faithfulness of modern Scriptural interpretation of the Word of God imparted to humanity long ago.

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Paragraph 2. Under the name of Holy Scripture, or the Word of God written, are now contained all the books of the Old and New Testaments, which are these:

OF THE OLD TESTAMENT:

Genesis I Kings Ecclesiastes Amos
Exodus II Kings The Song of Obadiah
Leviticus I Chronicles   Solomon Jonah
Numbers II Chronicles Isaiah Micah
Deuteronomy   Ezra Jeremiah Nahum
Joshua Nehemiah Lamentations   Habakkuk
Judges Esther Ezekiel Zephaniah
Ruth Job Daniel Haggai
I Samuel Psalms Hosea Zechariah
II Samuel Proverbs Joel Malachi

OF THE NEW TESTAMENT:

Matthew Ephesians Hebrews
Mark Philippians James
Luke Colossians I Peter
John I Thessalonians   II Peter
Acts II Thessalonians I John
Romans I Timothy II John
I Corinthians   II Timothy III John
II Corinthians Titus Jude
Galatians Philemon Revelation

All of which are given by the inspiration of God, to be the rule of faith and life. (II Timothy 3:16)

The books listed are, of course, the King James, or Authorized, Version, translated into formal English from extant texts under the patronage of James I of England, who desperately wanted to demonstrate his English patriotism and Protestant religious fervor. He commissioned to this task 47 scholars, all of whom were members of the Church of England, which he was trying assiduously to promote to replace the Catholic Church. The content of the King James Bible is therefore a political, as well as a religious, document.

This list does not include the Apocrypha which, unlike the books listed, appear to have been translated from the Greek Septuagint, rather than the Hebrew Bible.

The Catholic Church considers the Latin Vulgate, including the Apocrypha, as "the Bible." The Vulgate is largely the work of St. Jerome, who was commissioned by Pope Damasus I in 382 to translate the Gospels into Latin, the language of the western Roman Empire at the time. Jerome continued and eventually translated the entire Bible into that language. It was reaffirmed as the official Catholic Bible by the Fourth Session of the Council of Trent on April 8th, 1546. Current enumeration of which books are considered inspired may be found on the Vatican Website.

Since few Catholics currently read Latin, however, The Catholic Church recognizes the propriety of reading and studying faithful translations of the Bible into their own languages. Those meeting the Church's criteria for correct translation are granted an "imprimatur," a Latin word meaning "let it be printed." The Bibles currently used in American Catholic Churches are the "New American Bible, Revised Edition."

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Paragraph 3. The books commonly called Apocrypha, not being of divine inspiration, are no part of the canon or rule of the Scripture, and, therefore, are of no authority to the church of God, nor to be any otherwise approved or made use of than other human writings. (Luke 24:27, 44; Romans 3:2)

Jerome considered the books or portions of books in the Septuagint that were not found in the Hebrew as being non-canonical: he called them "apocrypha." His views were rejected by the Catholic Church, however; and all complete manuscripts and editions of the Vulgate include some or all these books. This may be the reason for their rejection from the King James Version. Another possibility is that the translators may have found them incompatible with prevailing Protestant thought. Perhaps the most famous example is 2 Maccabees 12:43-45, which suggests that it is appropriate to pray for the dead. Martin Luther considered the Apocrypha non-canonical, but "useful and good to read." Questions?
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Paragraph 4. The authority of the Holy Scripture, for which it ought to be believed, depends not upon the testimony of any man or church, but wholly upon God (who is truth itself), the author thereof; therefore it is to be received because it is the Word of God. (II Peter 1:19-21; II Timothy 3:16; II Thessalonians 2:13; I John 5:9)

As noted above, modern Scripture has passed through many interpreters, translators, transcribers and publishers since it was first written by inspired authors. It may be that much of what they wrote has been lost to history and is no longer available to modern believers. St. Peter tells us that "no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation." (II Peter 1:20) Catholics consider the Holy Spirit the interpreter of Scripture, acting through the Church established upon Peter by Christ himself (Matthew 16:18), to preserve, protect and proclaim the Word of God. The existence of Scripture today is the legacy of many centuries of dedicated, pious (Catholic) monks who labored through the Dark Ages to that end by preserving, copying, transcribing and translating more ancient documentation. Questions?
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Paragraph 5. We may be moved and induced by the testimony of the church of God to a high and reverent esteem of the Holy Scriptures; and the heavenliness of the matter, the efficacy of the doctrine, and the majesty of the style, the consent of all the parts, the scope of the whole (which is to give all glory to God), the full discovery it makes of the only way of man's salvation, and many other incomparable excellencies, and entire perfections thereof, are arguments whereby it does abundantly evidence itself to be the Word of God; yet notwithstanding, our full persuasion and assurance of the infallible truth, and divine authority thereof, is from the inward work of the Holy Spirit bearing witness by and with the Word in our hearts. (John 16:13, 14; I Corinthians 2:10-12; I John 2:20, 27)

This statement appears compatible with Catholic belief. Moreover, we consider this "high and reverent esteem" to be at least compromised, if not abrogated, by attempts to use Scripture for other than "the full discovery it makes of the only way of man's salvation." Attempts to unearth "secrets" in Scripture, to use it for personal gain, or its use in fortune telling or any other occult practice, appears to us to be a desire for power over time, history, and, in the last analysis, other human beings. We find this incompatible with the "heavenliness of the matter, the efficacy of the doctrine" inherent in the Word of God. As evidence, we hasten to point out that most of these attempts turn out to be totally mistaken, resulting in great misfortune, lack of confidence in His message, and even untimely death, to those who participate in them and their victims. Questions?
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Paragraph 6. The whole counsel of God concerning all things necessary for His own glory, man's salvation, faith and life, is either expressly set down or necessarily contained in the Holy Scripture: unto which nothing at any time is to be added, whether by new revelation of the Spirit, or traditions of men. (II Timothy 3:15-17; Galatians 1:8, 9) Nevertheless, we acknowledge the inward illumination of the Spirit of God to be necessary for the saving understanding of such things as are revealed in the Word, (John 6:45; I Corinthians 2:9-12) and that there are some circumstances concerning the worship of God, and government of the church, common to human actions and societies, which are to be ordered by the light of nature and Christian prudence, according to the general rules of the Word, which are always to be observed. (I Corinthians 11:13, 14; I Corinthians 14:26, 40)

This statement represents a subtle, but fundamental, departure from Catholic doctrine. Catholics would claim that "the whole counsel of God," (especially the absolute infinity of "things necessary for His own glory") cannot possibly be contained in any created thing, much less an individual book! Catholics maintain that "there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, ... even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written." (John 21:25)

Catholics note that only part of what Jesus and the Apostles did and taught is contained in Scripture, as noted above. The Apostles, the first teachers of Christianity, didn't even have a New Testament, because it hadn't been written yet. There is also evidence that Jesus, the Apostles and Saint Paul used the Septuagint, the Greek Old Testament, in their references to "the Law and the Prophets." We do not believe that only that which was recorded (and is correctly preserved, translated and available today) was or is important. For this reason Catholics regard the "many other things which Jesus did" as being equally effective for salvation. These are called "Tradition," (with a capital T) and are preserved as the work of God, along with Scripture, in the teaching of the Church.

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Paragraph 7. All things in Scripture are not alike plain in themselves, nor alike clear unto all; (II Peter 3:16) yet those things which are necessary to be known, believed and observed for salvation, are so clearly propounded and opened in some place of Scripture or other, that not only the learned, but the unlearned, in a due use of ordinary means, may attain to a sufficient understanding of them. (Psalms 19:7; Psalms 119:130)

Catholics believe that the clergy have special responsibility to preach the Gospel to every creature (Mark 16:15), and are thus extensively educated by the Church about Scripture, among other things, to do that before they are ordained. One of the disagreements of the Reformers was that the clergy have no more right to interpret Scripture than others. The foregoing statement seems to be a concise summary of that belief. Catholics would ask why, if "those things which are necessary to be known, believed and observed for salvation" are "so clearly propounded," there is such disagreement about their meaning among, between and within the various Christian churches. We maintain that the opposite is true, that a meaningful interpretation of Scripture requires an infallible teaching authority which, in our case, is the Church.Questions?
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Paragraph 8. The Old Testament in Hebrew (which was the native language of the people of God of old), (Romans 3:2) and the New Testament in Greek (which at the time of the writing of it was most generally known to the nations), being immediately inspired by God, and by His singular care and providence kept pure in all ages, are therefore authentic; so as in all controversies of religion, the church is finally to appeal to them. (Isaiah 8:20) But because these original tongues are not known to all the people of God, who have a right unto, and interest in the Scriptures, and are commanded in the fear of God to read, (Acts 15:15) and search them, (John 5:39) therefore they are to be translated into the vulgar language of every nation unto which they come, (I Corinthians 14:6, 9, 11, 12, 24, 28) that the Word of God dwelling plentifully in all, they may worship Him in an acceptable manner, and through patience and comfort of the Scriptures may have hope. (Colossians 3:16)

Catholics would replace "they are to be translated," above, with "They are to be correctly translated, insofar as possible." The Bible today has a long history, involving many and repeated transcriptions and translations from languages in which the words for concepts expressed by the original writers, under the inspiration of God, were only imprecisely rendered. Catholics maintain that interpreting Scripture is ultimately subject to the judgement of the Church. Questions?
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Paragraph 9. The infallible rule of interpretation of Scripture is the Scripture itself; and therefore when there is a question about the true and full sense of any Scripture (which are not many, but one), it must be searched by other places that speak more clearly. (II Peter 1:20, 21; Acts 15:15, 16)

Catholics also consider Scripture as a unified whole, and discourage picking and choosing disparate bits and pieces to support this or that assertion. The Vatican Council II indicates three criteria for interpreting Scripture in accordance with the Spirit who inspired it: the content and unity of the whole Scripture, the living Tradition of the whole Church, and the analogy of faith. These are the means the Catholic Church uses to understand the message of salvation contained in Scripture. Questions?
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Paragraph 10. The supreme judge, by which all controversies of religion are to be determined, and all decrees of councils, opinions of ancient writers, doctrines of men, and private spirits, are to be examined, and in whose sentence we are to rest, can be no other but the Holy Scripture delivered by the Spirit, into which Scripture so delivered, our faith is finally resolved. (Matthew 22:29, 31, 32; Ephesians 2:20; Acts 28:23)

Catholics agree that the Holy Spirit is the interpreter of Scripture. Questions?
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CHAPTER 2; OF GOD AND OF THE HOLY TRINITY

Paragraph 1. The Lord our God is but one only living and true God; (I Corinthians 8:4, 6; Deuteronomy 6:4) whose subsistence is in and of Himself, (Jeremiah 10:10; Isaiah 48:12) infinite in being and perfection; whose essence cannot be comprehended by any but Himself; (Exodus 3:14) a most pure spirit, (John 4:24) invisible, without body, parts, or passions, who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; (I Timothy 1:17; Deuteronomy 4:15, 16) who is immutable, (Malachi 3:6 I Kings 8:2) immense, (Jeremiah 23:23) eternal, (Psalms 90:2) incomprehensible, almighty, (Genesis 17:1) every way infinite, most holy, (Isaiah 6:3) most wise, most free, most absolute; working all things according to the counsel of His own immutable and most righteous will, (Psalms 115:3; Isaiah 46:10) for His own glory; (Proverbs 16:4; Romans 11:36) most loving, gracious, merciful, long-suffering, abundant in goodness and truth, forgiving iniquity, transgression, and sin; the rewarder of them that diligently seek Him, (Exodus 34:6, 7; Hebrews 11:6) and withal most just and terrible in His judgments, (Nehemiah 9:32, 23) hating all sin, (Psalms 5:5, 6) and who will by no means clear the guilty. (Exodus 34:7; Nahum 1:2, 2)

This statement appears compatible with Catholic belief, with the possible exception of "who will by no means clear the guilty," which appears to suggest that God refuses or lacks the ability to forgive sins. Catholics would disagree with that. Questions?
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Paragraph 2. God, having all life, (John 5:26) glory, (Psalms 148:13) goodness, (Psalms 119:68) blessedness, in and of Himself, is alone in and unto Himself all-sufficient, not standing in need of any creature which He hath made, nor deriving any glory from them, (Job 22:2, 3) but only manifesting His own glory in, by, unto, and upon them; He is the alone fountain of all being, of whom, through whom, and to whom are all things, (Romans 11:34-36) and He hath most sovereign dominion over all creatures, to do by them, for them, or upon them, whatsoever Himself pleases; (Daniel 4:25, 34, 35) in His sight all things are open and manifest, (Hebrews 4:13) His knowledge is infinite, infallible, and independent upon the creature, so as nothing is to Him contingent or uncertain; (Ezekiel 11:5; Acts 15:18) He is most holy in all His counsels, in all His works, (Psalms 145:17) and in all His commands; to Him is due from angels and men, whatsoever worship, (Revelation 5:12-14) service, or obedience, as creatures they owe unto the Creator, and whatever He is further pleased to require of them.

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Paragraph 3. In this divine and infinite Being there are three subsistences, the Father, the Word or Son, and Holy Spirit, (I John 5:7; Matthew 28:19; II Corinthians 13:14) of one substance, power, and eternity, each having the whole divine essence, yet the essence undivided: (Exodus 3:14; John 14:11; I Corinthians 8:6) the Father is of none, neither begotten nor proceeding; the Son is eternally begotten of the Father; (John 1:14, 18) the Holy Spirit proceeding from the Father and the Son; (John 15:26; Galatians 4:6) all infinite, without beginning, therefore but one God, who is not to be divided in nature and being, but distinguished by several peculiar relative properties and personal relations; which doctrine of the Trinity is the foundation of all our communion with God, and comfortable dependence on Him.

This statement appears compatible with Catholic belief, except for the use of the word "subsistances." Catholics claim that there are three "persons" in God. The difference may be due to some obscure disagreement between Catholics and the Reformers that is probably best forgotten. Both statements probably mean the same thing. Questions?
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CHAPTER 3; OF GOD'S DECREE

Paragraph 1. God hath decreed in himself, from all eternity, by the most wise and holy counsel of His own will, freely and unchangeably, all things, whatsoever comes to pass; (Isaiah 46:10; Ephesians 1:11; Hebrews 6:17; Romans 9:15, 18) yet so as thereby is God neither the author of sin nor hath fellowship with any therein; (James 1:13; I John 1:5) nor is violence offered to the will of the creature, nor yet is the liberty or contingency of second causes taken away, but rather established; (Acts 4:27, 28; John 19:11) in which appears His wisdom in disposing all things, and power and faithfulness in accomplishing His decree. (Numbers 23:19; Ephesians 1:3-5)

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Paragraph 2. Although God knoweth whatsoever may or can come to pass, upon all supposed conditions, (Acts 15:18) yet hath He not decreed anything, because He foresaw it as future, or as that which would come to pass upon such conditions. (Romans 9:11, 13, 16, 18)

Catholics would understand this statement to mean that God allows some things to happen and makes other things happen, all as a part of His overall divine plan. Catholics refer to this as "divine providence." Questions?
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Paragraph 3. By the decree of God, for the manifestation of His glory, some men and angels are predestinated, or foreordained to eternal life through Jesus Christ, (I Timothy 5:21; Matthew 25:34) to the praise of His glorious grace; (Ephesians 1:5, 6) others being left to act in their sin to their just condemnation, to the praise of His glorious justice. (Romans 9:22, 23; Jude 4)

Paragraph 4. These angels and men thus predestinated and foreordained, are particularly and unchangeably designed, and their number so certain and definite, that it cannot be either increased or diminished. (II Timothy 2:19; John 13:18)

Paragraph 5. Those of mankind that are predestinated to life, God, before the foundation of the world was laid, according to His eternal and immutable purpose, and the secret counsel and good pleasure of His will, hath chosen in Christ unto everlasting glory, out of His mere free grace and love, (Ephesians 1:4, 9, 11; Romans 8:30; II Timothy 1:9; I Thessalonians 5:9) without any other thing in the creature as a condition or cause moving Him thereunto. (Romans 9:13, 16; Ephesians 2:5, 12)

Paragraph 6. As God hath appointed the elect unto glory, so He hath, by the eternal and most free purpose of His will, foreordained all the means thereunto; (I Peter 1:2; II Thessalonians 2:13) wherefore they who are elected, being fallen in Adam, are redeemed by Christ, (I Thessalonians 5:9, 10) are effectually called unto faith in Christ, by His Spirit working in due season, are justified, adopted, sanctified, (Romans 8:30; II Thessalonians 2:13) and kept by His power through faith unto salvation; (I Peter 1:5) neither are any other redeemed by Christ, or effectually called, justified, adopted, sanctified, and saved, but the elect only. (John 10:26, 17:9, 6:64)

Paragraph 7. The doctrine of the high mystery of predestination is to be handled with special prudence and care, that men attending the will of God revealed in His Word, and yielding obedience thereunto, may, from the certainty of their effectual vocation, be assured of their eternal election; (I Thessalonians 1:4, 5; II Peter 1:10) so shall this doctrine afford matter of praise, (Ephesians 1:6; Romans 11:33) reverence, and admiration of God, and of humility, (Romans 11:5, 6, 20) diligence, and abundant consolation to all that sincerely obey the Gospel. (Luke 10:20)

These statements represent the most basic, fundamental and intractable point of disagreement between Catholics, Baptists and all other Calvinists as well. Catholics believe immeasurably far more in the saving power of Jesus Christ than what is implied by the foregoing statements. We find repugnant the very idea, to say no more, that God would, for any reason or purpose, create any rational creature for "condemnation," without hope of forgiveness or redemption whatever, or that salvation through the merits of Jesus Christ is available only to some and not to others, as if Adam's sin were somehow more powerful and encompassing than Christ's redemption. We take the opposite view, that God's gift of eternal life is, and has always been available to all men, that is, all human beings, as it was initially to all the angels, without exception. (Matthew 16:27, Luke 16:16 John 1:7, 9; 5:23-24; 6:45, 51; 7:17; 9:31; 10:9; 12:26, 32, 47, Acts 10:34; 17:30; 17:31; 22:15, Romans 2:6, 10; 5:18; 12:3, I Corinthians 3:5, 8, 10, 13, 14, 18; 4:5; 7:17, 24; 11:3; 12:7, 11; 15:23, II Corinthians 8:3; 9:7, Galatians 6:4, 5, Ephesians 3:8, c; 6:8, Colossians 1:28, I Thessalonians 3:12; 5:14, 15, I Timothy 2:1, 4; 4:10, II Timothy 2:24, Titus 2:11; 3:2, Hebrews 2:9; 12:14, James 1:5, I Peter 1:17; 2:17; 3:15; 4:10, I John 2:1; 3:3, Revelation 3:20; 20:13; 22:2)

Catholics recognize, of course, that the term "elect" or "election" is used 28 times in the King James Bible, possibly because the translators intended their Bible to say what they wanted, rather than what was implied by earlier documents. We consider that in all cases in which it can be taken to indicate a prior predestination by God, it can also be understood to mean those whom God in His unlimited knowledge of past, present and future, knows will be saved through freely cooperating with His saving grace, which is available to all mankind, without exception, and who will freely reject those graces which are utterly sufficient for their salvation. (I Timothy 2:4) To God, all moments of time are present in their immediacy. When therefore he establishes his eternal plan of "predestination", he includes in it each person's free response to his grace.

We do not pretend to understand, with the limitations of our human intellect, how God can elect who will be saved, in the sense of knowing beforehand what their free choice will be, and yet not are not predestined by Him for that end. Catholics believe absolutely that the saving power of the merits of Jesus is infinitely greater than the condemning power of the sin of Adam. We maintain that salvation through Jesus Christ is at least available to all those tainted by the rebellion of Adam unless, like Adam, they make a positive, conscious choice to reject it.

Also, while we admit the possibility of condemnation of human beings, we do not conclude that any are, have been, or will be actually condemned. We believe that certain specific deceased individuals, as well as unknown others, have been saved and are now "in heaven," in the presence of God, but we do not know positively that anybody is "in hell." Our unshakable belief in the unlimited saving power of Christ's Redemption, and in the equally unlimited love and mercy of God, holds out the possibility that everyone, without exception, may be admitted to the glory of eternal salvation, through his cooperation with grace given him through the merits of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, which are absolutely sufficient, regardless of his prior sinfulness.

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CHAPTER 4; OF CREATION

Paragraph 1. In the beginning it pleased God the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, (John 1:2, 2; Hebrews 1:2; Job 26:13) for the manifestation of the glory of His eternal power, (Romans 1:20) wisdom, and goodness, to create or make the world, and all things therein, whether visible or invisible, in the space of six days, and all very good. (Colossians 1:16; Genesis 1:31)

This subject appears to be the second fundamental division between Catholics and many other Christians. We understand the inspiration of Scripture to be the motivation by God of the inspired writers to write what He wanted written, and no more. In order to discover the sacred authors' intention, the reader must take into account the conditions of their time and culture, the literary genres in use at that time, and the modes of feeling, speaking and narrating then current.

God could, of course, have explained the creation of the universe in terms which would be compatible with 21st Century cosmology. Such an explanation most certainly would be hopelessly outdated in another 3200 years, and would have been totally incomprehensible to those of Moses' time. We note in passing that parents often explain difficult concepts in simple language more easily understood to their children, and we are not surprised to find that God has done that for His.

For this reason, we understand the story of Creation in Genesis to be primarily figurative and allegorical, not literal. We believe it is an expression of the lessons that God intended to teach early man about Himself and creation using the concepts most easily understood by His audience, which at that time was the People of Israel recently released from bondage. (Many of them were probably under the influence of pagan Egyptian theology. Some of them might actually have been instrumental in construction of the pagan gods and temples.) Such language would be no less true than a more scientific explanation would be today. Therefore, we are not constrained to believe that the "six days" mentioned represent a period of 518,400 seconds. We maintain that "One day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day." (II Peter 3:8)

As far as being "very good," we recognize that it could not be otherwise, having been created by God, the source of all goodness.

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Paragraph 2. After God had made all other creatures, He created man, male and female, (Genesis 1:27) with reasonable and immortal souls, (Genesis 2:7) rendering them fit unto that life to God for which they were created; being made after the image of God, in knowledge, righteousness, and true holiness; (Ecclesiastes 7:29; Genesis 1:26) having the law of God written in their hearts, (Romans 2:14, 15) and power to fulfill it, and yet under a possibility of transgressing, being left to the liberty of their own will, which was subject to change. (Genesis 3:6)

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Paragraph 3. Besides the law written in their hearts, they received a command not to eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, (Genesis 2:17) which while they kept, they were happy in their communion with God, and had dominion over the creatures. (Genesis 1:26, 28)

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CHAPTER 5; OF DIVINE PROVIDENCE

Paragraph 1. God the good Creator of all things, in His infinite power and wisdom does uphold, direct, dispose, and govern all creatures and things, (Hebrews 1:3; Job 38:11; Isaiah 46:10, 11; Psalms 135:6) from the greatest even to the least, (Matthew 10:29-31) by His most wise and holy providence, to the end for the which they were created, according unto His infallible foreknowledge, and the free and immutable counsel of His own will; to the praise of the glory of His wisdom, power, justice, infinite goodness, and mercy. (Ephesians 1:11)

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Paragraph 2. Although in relation to the foreknowledge and decree of God, the first cause, all things come to pass immutably and infallibly; (Acts 2:23) so that there is not anything befalls any by chance, or without His providence; (Proverbs 16:33) yet by the same providence He ordered them to fall out according to the nature of second causes, either necessarily, freely, or contingently. (Genesis 8:22)

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Paragraph 3. God, in his ordinary providence makes use of means, (Acts 27:31, 44; Isaiah 55:10, 11) yet is free to work without, (Hosea 1:7) above, (Romans 4:19-21) and against them (Daniel 3:27) at His pleasure.

Catholics agree that God, having no limitation whatever, is "free to work without," but we do not claim that He does or has ever done so. We find nothing in Scripture to suggest that God is not fully capable of ordering the universe so that each and every event, including those which we refer to as "coincidence" or "chance," (not to mention "miracles") is the natural expression of an immutable law by which He has endowed His universe since the first instant of creation.Questions?
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Paragraph 4. The almighty power, unsearchable wisdom, and infinite goodness of God, so far manifest themselves in His providence, that His determinate counsel extends itself even to the first fall, and all other sinful actions both of angels and men; (Romans 11:32-34; II Samuel 24:1; I Chronicles 21:1) and that not by a bare permission, which also He most wisely and powerfully binds, and otherwise orders and governs, (II Kings 19:28; Psalms 76:10) in a manifold dispensation to His most holy ends; (Genesis 1:20; Isaiah 10:6, 7, 12) yet so, as the sinfulness of their acts proceeds only from the creatures, and not from God, who, being most holy and righteous, neither is nor can be the author or approver of sin. (Psalms 1:21; I John 2:16)

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Paragraph 5. The most wise, righteous, and gracious God does often times leave for a season His own children to manifold temptations and the corruptions of their own hearts, to chastise them for their former sins, or to discover unto them the hidden strength of corruption and deceitfulness of their hearts, that they may be humbled; and to raise them to a more close and constant dependence for their support upon Himself; and to make them more watchful against all future occasions of sin, and for other just and holy ends. (II Chronicles 32:25, 26, 31; II Corinthians 12:7-9) So that whatsoever befalls any of His elect is by His appointment, for His glory, and their good. (Romans 8:28)

Catholics might question what "does often times leave for a season" means, since we understand temptation to be a natural part of the human condition. We maintain that God never, ever "leaves" anyone in any reasonable sense of the word, since He has not only created the universe, but maintains it, moment by moment, in its existence, including the life of all living things. Questions?
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Paragraph 6. As for those wicked and ungodly men whom God, as the righteous judge, for former sin does blind and harden; (Romans 1:24-26, 28, 11:7, 8) from them He not only withholds His grace, whereby they might have been enlightened in their understanding, and wrought upon their hearts; (Deuteronomy 29:4) but sometimes also withdraws the gifts which they had, (Matthew 13:12) and exposes them to such objects as their corruption makes occasion of sin; (Deuteronomy 2:30; II Kings 8:12, 13) and withal, gives them over to their own lusts, the temptations of the world, and the power of Satan, (Psalms 81:11, 12; II Thessalonians 2:10-12) whereby it comes to pass that they harden themselves, under those means which God uses for the softening of others. (Exodus 8:15, 32; Isaiah 6:9, 10; I Peter 2:7, 8)

Catholics would agree with Baptists that the Scriptural citations do indeed suggest that God "does blind and harden," "withholds His grace," and gives "wicked and ungodly men" over to "the power of Satan" if we entertained even the suggestion that the good and holy God we worship could possibly be capable of such horrible things! Since we do not, (I Timothy 2:4) we are compelled by the "inward work of the Holy Spirit bearing witness by and with the Word in our hearts" to reach the opposite Scriptural interpretation, one that recognizes that God is the epitome of goodness. We regard the very concept of predestination to be self-contradictory, as if God could be the author of hatred, injustice, or any other evil. For this reason, we utterly reject this belief, and all doctrines which spring from, incorporate, or support it. Questions?
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Paragraph 7. As the providence of God does in general reach to all creatures, so after a more special manner it takes care of His church, and disposes of all things to the good thereof. (I Timothy 4:10; Amos 9:8, 9; Isaiah 43:3-5)

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CHAPTER 6; OF THE FALL OF MAN, OF SIN, AND OF THE PUNISHMENT THEREOF

Paragraph 1. Although God created man upright and perfect, and gave him a righteous law, which had been unto life had he kept it, and threatened death upon the breach thereof, (Genesis 2:16, 17) yet he did not long abide in this honor; Satan using the subtlety of the serpent to subdue Eve, then by her seducing Adam, who, without any compulsion, did willfully transgress the law of their creation, and the command given to them, in eating the forbidden fruit, (Genesis 3:12, 13; II Corinthians 11:3) which God was pleased, according to His wise and holy counsel to permit, having purposed to order it to His own glory.

Although they would perhaps agree with this depiction of the creation of man, Catholics believe that the account of the fall in the Bible is figurative language, as noted above. It affirms a primeval event, an unknown evil deed that took place at the beginning of the man's history, by which he chose not to be a submitter to the will of God. The statement: "for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die." (Genesis 2:17) symbolically describes the potential for, and consequences of, this choice. Questions?
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Paragraph 2. Our first parents, by this sin, fell from their original righteousness and communion with God, and we in them whereby death came upon all: (Romans 3:23) all becoming dead in sin, (Romans 5:12, etc.) and wholly defiled in all the faculties and parts of soul and body. (Titus 1:15; Genesis 6:5; Jeremiah 17:9; Romans 3:10-19)

Catholics do not agree that man was "wholly defiled in all the faculties and parts of soul and body" in man by original sin. Man is created in the image of God (Genesis 1:27), and would cease to be human if this image were absent. Rather, because of it man is deprived of his original holiness and justice, but human nature has not been totally corrupted. Man's nature is indeed wounded in the natural powers proper to it, subject to ignorance, suffering and the dominion of death. It is also inclined to sin. Nevertheless, man retains his goodness as a creature of God; remains in the image of God, in the image of His completely human Son, but is deprived of the glory of God. Questions?
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Paragraph 3. They being the root, and by God's appointment, standing in the room and stead of all mankind, the guilt of the sin was imputed, and corrupted nature conveyed, to all their posterity descending from them by ordinary generation, (Romans 5:12-19; I Corinthians 15:21, 22, 45, 49) being now conceived in sin, (Psalms 51:5; Job 14:4) and by nature children of wrath, (Ephesians 2:3) the servants of sin, the subjects of death, (Romans 6:20, 5:12) and all other miseries, spiritual, temporal, and eternal, unless the Lord Jesus set them free. (Hebrews 2:14, 15; I Thessalonians 1:10)

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Paragraph 4. From this original corruption, whereby we are utterly indisposed, disabled, and made opposite to all good, and wholly inclined to all evil, (Romans 8:7; Colossians 1:21) do proceed all actual transgressions. (James 1:14, 15; Matthew 15:19)

While Catholics maintain even "that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost," (I Corinthians 12:3) we do not agree that even unredeemed man is so wretched as described here. God has placed in (every) man a longing for truth and goodness that only He can satisfy. Questions?
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Paragraph 5. The corruption of nature, during this life, does remain in those that are regenerated; (Romans 7:18, 23; Ecclesiastes 7:20; I John 1:8) and although it be through Christ pardoned and mortified, yet both itself, and the first motions thereof, are truly and properly sin. (Romans 7:23-25; Galatians 5:17)

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CHAPTER 7; OF GOD'S COVENANT

Paragraph 1. The distance between God and the creature is so great, that although reasonable creatures do owe obedience to Him as their creator, yet they could never have attained the reward of life but by some voluntary condescension on God's part, which He hath been pleased to express by way of covenant. (Luke 17:10; Job 35:7, 8)

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Paragraph 2. Moreover, man having brought himself under the curse of the law by his fall, it pleased the Lord to make a covenant of grace, (Genesis 2:17; Galatians 3:10; Romans 3:20, 21) wherein He freely offers unto sinners life and salvation by Jesus Christ, requiring of them faith in Him, that they may be saved; (Romans 8:3; Mark 16:15, 16; John 3:16) and promising to give unto all those that are ordained unto eternal life, His Holy Spirit, to make them willing and able to believe. (Ezekiel 36:26, 27; John 6:44, 45; Psalms 110:3)

Catholics might question the meaning of "curse of the law," since we do not regard any law as a "curse." We would agree that God "freely offers unto sinners (i.e. everybody) life and salvation by Jesus Christ," but we emphatically do not agree that this offer is contingent upon faith in him (or anybody else). We regard faith in Christ as a gift given to some people, through "His Holy Spirit, to make them willing and able to believe," while salvation is available to all, without exception. (I Timothy 2:4) This is why be baptize infants, who are too young to have faith. They do absolutely nothing to obtain salvation, yet it is freely offered to them by God through the ministry of His Church and the activity of their parents, who are the representatives of God to them.

We note in passing that Jesus was asked what one must do to be saved, he replied that one had to actually do things of which any except the very young are capable. (Matthew7:21-27, 19:16-22, 25:34-46, Mark 10:17-21, Luke 10:25-37, 18:18-22)

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Paragraph 3. This covenant is revealed in the Gospel; first of all to Adam in the promise of salvation by the seed of the woman, (Genesis 3:15) and afterwards by farther steps, until the full discovery thereof was completed in the New Testament; (Hebrews 1:1) and it is founded in that eternal covenant transaction that was between the Father and the Son about the redemption of the elect; (II Timothy 1:9; Titus 1:2) and it is alone by the grace of this covenant that all the posterity of fallen Adam that ever were saved did obtain life and blessed immortality, man being now utterly incapable of acceptance with God upon those terms on which Adam stood in his state of innocency. (Hebrews 11:6, 13; Romans 4:1, 2, &c.; Acts 4:12; John 8:56)

With the exception of the differences between Catholics and Baptists about the meaning of the term "elect," Catholics would probably agree generally with this statement. We do not find Scriptural basis for, or understanding of, the "covenant transaction that was between the Father and the Son," however. Questions?
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CHAPTER 8; OF CHRIST THE MEDIATOR

Paragraph 1. It pleased God, in His eternal purpose, to choose and ordain the Lord Jesus, His only begotten Son, according to the covenant made between them both, to be the mediator between God and man; (Isaiah 42:1; I Peter 1:19, 20) the prophet, (Acts 3:22) priest, (Hebrews 5:5, 6) and king; (Psalms 2:6; Luke 1:33) head and savior of the church, (Ephesians 1:22, 23) the heir of all things, (Hebrews 1:2) and judge of the world; (Acts 17:31) unto whom He did from all eternity give a people to be His seed and to be by Him in time redeemed, called, justified, sanctified, and glorified. (Isaiah 53:10; John 17:6; Romans 8:30)

Catholics would agree with this generally, except for our lack of understanding of the meaning of the "covenant made between them both." We believe that the one, indivisible God became a man named Jesus "head and savior of the church." Questions?
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Paragraph 2. The Son of God, the second person in the Holy Trinity, being very and eternal God, the brightness of the Father's glory, of one substance and equal with Him who made the world, who upholds and governs all things He has made, did, when the fullness of time was complete, take upon Him man's nature, with all the essential properties and common infirmities of it, (John 1:14; Galatians 4:4) yet without sin; (Romans 8:3; Hebrews 2:14, 16, 17, 4:15) being conceived by the Holy Spirit in the womb of the Virgin Mary, the Holy Spirit coming down upon her: and the power of the Most High overshadowing her; and so was made of a woman of the tribe of Judah, of the seed of Abraham and David according to the Scriptures; (Matthew 1:22, 23) so that two whole, perfect, and distinct natures were inseparably joined together in one person, without conversion, composition, or confusion; which person is very God and very man, yet one Christ, the only mediator between God and man. (Luke 1:27, 31, 35; Romans 9:5; I Timothy 2:5)

Catholics agree, except that we find no Scriptural basis for the assertion that the mother of Jesus was "a woman of the tribe of Judah, of the seed of Abraham and David," Her geneology is not stated anywhere in Scripture at all. Jesus' legal descent from David is from her husband, Joseph, the legal father of Jesus.

We refer to the inseparable joining of the two natures of Christ as the "hypostatic union." We note that since the person of Christ "is very God and very man," that person's mother, Mary of Nazareth, is by that very fact, equally the holy mother of God.

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Paragraph 3. The Lord Jesus, in His human nature thus united to the divine, in the person of the Son, was sanctified and anointed with the Holy Spirit above measure, (Psalms 45:7; Acts 10:38; John 3:34) having in Him all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge; (Colossians 2:3) in whom it pleased the Father that all fullness should dwell, (Colossians 1:19) to the end that being holy, harmless, undefiled, (Hebrews 7:26) and full of grace and truth, (John 1:14) He might be thoroughly furnished to execute the office of mediator and surety; (Hebrews 7:22) which office He took not upon himself, but was thereunto called by His Father; (Hebrews 5:5) who also put all power and judgement in His hand, and gave Him commandment to execute the same. (John 5:22, 27; Matthew 28:18; Acts 2:36)

While Catholics agree with this, as found in the beginning of our Creeds, we see a potential for misunderstanding in the sentence, "He took not upon himself, but was thereunto called by His Father." Being the One, Indivisible God, Christ also decreed, along with the Father, the means by which he would redeem mankind. Questions?
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Paragraph 4. This office the Lord Jesus did most willingly undertake, (Psalms 40:7, 8; Hebrews 10:5-10; John 10:18) which that He might discharge He was made under the law, (Galatians 4:4; Matthew 3:15) and did perfectly fulfill it, and underwent the punishment due to us, which we should have born and suffered, (Galatians 3:13; Isaiah 53:6; I Peter 3:18) being made sin and a curse for us; (II Corinthians 5:21) enduring most grievous sorrows in His soul, and most painful sufferings in His body; (Matthew 26:37, 28; Luke 22:44; Matthew 27:46) was crucified, and died, and remained in the state of the dead, yet saw no corruption: (Acts 13:37) on the third day He arose from the dead (I Corinthians 15:3, 4) with the same body in which He suffered, (John 20:25, 27) with which He also ascended into heaven, (Mark 16:19; Acts 1:9-11) and there sits at the right hand of His Father making intercession, (Romans 8:34; Hebrews 9:24) and shall return to judge men and angels at the end of the world. (Acts 10:42; Romans 14:9, 10; Acts 1:11; II Peter 2:4)

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Paragraph 5. The Lord Jesus, by His perfect obedience and sacrifice of Himself, which He through the eternal Spirit once offered up to God, has fully satisfied the justice of God, (Hebrews 9:14, 10:14; Romans 3:25, 26) procured reconciliation, and purchased an everlasting inheritance in the kingdom of heaven, for all those whom the Father has given unto Him. (John 17:2; Hebrews 9:15)

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Paragraph 6. Although the price of redemption was not actually paid by Christ until after His incarnation, yet the virtue, efficacy, and benefit thereof were communicated to the elect in all ages, successively from the beginning of the world, in and by those promises, types, and sacrifices wherein He was revealed, and signified to be the seed which should bruise the serpent's head; (I Corinthians 4:10; Hebrews 4:2; I Peter 1:10, 11) and the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world, (Revelation 13:8) being the same yesterday, and today and for ever. (Hebrews 13:8)

Catholics would say that by his life, death and resurrection, Christ has purchased for mankind the reward of eternal life. Therefore, all who are, have been, and will be saved achieve this reward through the merits of Christ, but by whom "no man cometh unto the Father" (John 14:6). Questions?
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Paragraph 7. Christ, in the work of mediation, acts according to both natures, by each nature doing that which is proper to itself; yet by reason of the unity of the person, that which is proper to one nature is sometimes in Scripture, attributed to the person denominated by the other nature. (John 3:13; Acts 20:28)

What this seems to say is that the languages in which modern Scripture is written do not easily accommodate description of the activity of one person who is simultaneously two separate beings. Catholics would agree with that. Questions?
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Paragraph 8. To all those for whom Christ has obtained eternal redemption, He does certainly and effectually apply and communicate the same, making intercession for them; (John 6:37, 10:15, 16, 17:9; Romans 5:10) uniting them to Himself by His Spirit, revealing to them, in and by His Word, the mystery of salvation, persuading them to believe and obey, (John 17:6; Ephesians 1:9; I John 5:20) governing their hearts by His Word and Spirit, (Romans 8:9, 14) and overcoming all their enemies by His almighty power and wisdom, (Psalms 110:1; I Corinthians 15:25, 26) in such manner and ways as are most consonant to His wonderful and unsearchable dispensation; and all of free and absolute grace, without any condition foreseen in them to procure it. (John 3:8; Eph. 1:8)

Catholics consider the Scriptural citations for this assertion to be amenable to other interpretation. First of all, we note that if it were true, Baptists, as well as everybody else, would have no need to study Scripture (or do any other thing whatever), because "all those for whom Christ has obtained eternal redemption," would already have revealed "to them, in and by His Word, the mystery of salvation." There would be no need for Baptist soldiers to carry weapons, since they would be "overcoming all their enemies by His almighty power and wisdom." We could probably cite several other logical arguments as well.

Second, we do not observe evidence of this conversion in Baptists, in anyone else, or, in fact, in ourselves, The logical conclusion is that, either "Christ has obtained eternal redemption for "no one, or that the assertion itself is subject to dispute.

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Paragraph 9. This office of mediator between God and man is proper only to Christ, who is the prophet, priest, and king of the church of God; and may not be either in whole, or any part thereof, transferred from Him to any other. (I Timothy 2:5)

Catholics would agree with this statement as it stands, except for the implication that Jesus Christ somehow lacks the authority to ordain or appoint representatives if he wishes. However, its historical context is related to differences of opinion regarding the nature and authority of Catholic clergy, particularly the pope. The Reformers mistakenly saw the pope as claiming that the office of mediator was wholly or partly transferred to him, or to the saints, or perhaps to somebody else. However, what the Reformers said the pope claimed in this matter was not what he or the Catholic Church claimed. This mistake is often made on Baptist websites that criticize Catholic teaching, but Catholic belief is not at all influenced by what Baptist theologians think it is. See also the comments at Chapter 26, Paragraph 4. Questions?
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Paragraph 10. This number and order of offices is necessary; for in respect of our ignorance, we stand in need of His prophetical office; (John 1:18) and in respect of our alienation from God, and imperfection of the best of our services, we need His priestly office to reconcile us and present us acceptable unto God; (Colossians 1:21; Galatians 5:17) and in respect to our averseness and utter inability to return to God, and for our rescue and security from our spiritual adversaries, we need His kingly office to convince, subdue, draw, uphold, deliver, and preserve us to His heavenly kingdom. (John 16:8; Psalms 110:3; Luke 1:74, 75)

This statement appears compatible with Catholic belief. We would insert "fully" between "inability" and "to" in for foregoing sentence. We believe the nature of man is naturally disposed to seek God, but not fully capable of accomplishing that. Questions?
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CHAPTER 9; OF FREE WILL

Paragraph 1. God has endued the will of man with that natural liberty and power of acting upon choice, that it is neither forced, nor by any necessity of nature determined to do good or evil. (Matthew 17:12; James 1:14; Deuteronomy 30:19)

This statement appears compatible with Catholic belief. We regard it as one of the reasons to reject the doctrine of predestination. Questions?
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Paragraph 2. Man, in his state of innocency, had freedom and power to will and to do that which was good and well-pleasing to God, (Ecclesiastes 7:29) but yet was unstable, so that he might fall from it. (Genesis 3:6)

Catholics might disagree with the term "unstable" here, since it has a negative connotation. We maintain that the free will of man is a part of his nature which, being perfected in our first parents, would logically be of the utmost stability in them. Questions?
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Paragraph 3. Man, by his fall into a state of sin, has wholly lost all ability of will to any spiritual good accompanying salvation; (Romans 5:6, 8:7) so as a natural man, being altogether averse from that good, and dead in sin, (Ephesians 2:1, 5) is not able by his own strength to convert himself, or to prepare himself thereunto. (Titus 3:3-5; John 6:44

Catholics definitly would not agree that man has wholly lost all ability to do good, or that he is altogether averse to good or dead in sin. We would, or course, agree that no one is able by his own strength to convert himself, and might possibly be able to reach some agreement with Baptists about what "accompanying salvation" means here. We note that when asked what one must do to attain "eternal life," Jesus prescribed loving one's neighbor and keeping the Commandments. These were well within the ability of ordinary people, including pagans and children, to perform. (Matthew 19:16; Mark 10:17; Luke 10:25; 18:18) We maintain that, endowed with a spiritual soul, with intellect and with free will, the human person is from his very conception ordered to God and destined for eternal beatitude. Questions?
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Paragraph 4. When God converts a sinner, and translates him into the state of grace, He frees him from his natural bondage under sin, (Colossians 1:13; John 8:36) and by His grace alone enables him freely to will and to do that which is spiritually good; (Philemon 2:13) yet so as that by reason of his remaining corruptions, he does not perfectly, nor only will, that which is good, but does also will that which is evil. (Romans 7:15, 18, 19, 21, 23)

Catholics would agree with this in principle, but would be cautious about the word "alone" here. When God touches man's heart through the illumination of the Holy Spirit, man himself is not inactive while receiving that inspiration, since he could reject it; and yet, without God's grace, he cannot by his own free will move himself toward justice in God's sight. Thus, we consider conversion as being a cooperative activity between man and God, working together for each individual's salvation. Questions?
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Paragraph 5. This will of man is made perfectly and immutably free to good alone in the state of glory only. (Ephesians 4:13)

Catholics would agree with this, with the provision that "state of glory" is achieved only by the saints, those who have died and received the reward promised for a virtuous life. (Matthew 25:34-40) There are no saints in the earthly Catholic Church. They're all gone! They've all been "promoted to glory." The rest of us are still working on it. That's why we're in church! Questions?
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CHAPTER 10; OF EFFECTUAL CALLING

Paragraph 1. Those whom God hath predestinated unto life, He is pleased in His appointed, and accepted time, effectually to call, (Romans 8:30, 11:7; Ephesians 1:10, 11; II Thessalonians 2:13) by His Word and Spirit, out of that state of sin and death in which they are by nature, to grace and salvation by Jesus Christ; (Ephesians 2:1-6) enlightening their minds spiritually and savingly to understand the things of God; (Acts 26:18; Ephesians 1:17, 18) taking away their heart of stone, and giving to them a heart of flesh; (Ezekiel 36:26) renewing their wills, and by His almighty power determining them to that which is good, and effectually drawing them to Jesus Christ; (Deuteronomy 30:6; Ezekiel 36:27; Ephesians 1:19) yet so as they come most freely, being made willing by His grace. (Psalms 110:3; The Song of Solomon 1:4)

Catholics would replace "Those whom God hath predestinated unto life, He is pleased in His appointed, and accepted time, effectually to call..." with "God calls all persons..." Questions?
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Paragraph 2. This effectual call is of God's free and special grace alone, not from anything at all foreseen in man, nor from any power or agency in the creature, (II Timothy 1:9; Ephesians 2:8) being wholly passive therein, being dead in sins and trespasses, until being quickened and renewed by the Holy Spirit; (I Corinthians 2:14; Ephesians 2:5; John 5:25) he is thereby enabled to answer this call, and to embrace the grace offered and conveyed in it, and that by no less power than that which raised up Christ from the dead. (Ephesians 1:19, 20)

Catholics would delete the phrase "being wholly passive therein." We understand salvation as being a cooperative activity between Man and God. Questions?
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Paragraph 3. elect infants dying in infancy are regenerated and saved by Christ through the Spirit; (John 3:3, 5, 6) who works when, and where, and how He pleases; (John 3:8) so also are all elect persons, who are incapable of being outwardly called by the ministry of the Word.

Catholics disagree with the Calvinist concept of "the elect." Our position is that since Christ died for all, and since all men are in fact called to one and the same destiny, which is divine, we must hold that the Holy Spirit offers to all the possibility of being made partakers, in a way known to God, of the Paschal mystery. Questions?
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Paragraph 4. Others not elected, although they may be called by the ministry of the Word, and may have some common operations of the Spirit, (Matthew 22:14, 13:20, 21; Hebrews 6:4, 5) yet not being effectually drawn by the Father, they neither will nor can truly come to Christ, and therefore cannot be saved: (John 6:44, 45, 65; I John 2:24, 25) much less can men that do not receive the Christian religion be saved; be they never so diligent to frame their lives according to the light of nature and the law of that religion they do profess. (Acts 4:12; John 4:22, 17:3)

We absolutely disagree here, too. Catholics emphatically maintain that every man who is ignorant of the Gospel of Christ and of his Church, but seeks the truth and does the will of God in accordance with his understanding of it, can be saved (Acts 10:28-35) Questions?
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CHAPTER 11; OF JUSTIFICATION

Paragraph 1. Those whom God effectually calls, he also freely justifies, (Romans 3:24, 8:30) not by infusing righteousness into them, but by pardoning their sins, and by accounting and accepting their persons as righteous; (Romans 4:5-8, Ephesians 1:7) not for anything wrought in them, or done by them, but for Christ's sake alone; (I Corinthians 1:30, 31, Romans 5:17-19) not by imputing faith itself, the act of believing, or any other evangelical obedience to them, as their righteousness; but by imputing Christ's active obedience unto the whole law, and passive obedience in his death for their whole and sole righteousness by faith, (Philemon 3:8, 9; Ephesians 2:8-10) which faith they have not of themselves; it is the gift of God. (John 1:12, Romans 5:17)

Catholics would question what "righteousness" means here. Catholics believe that those who have received the gift of salvation become "a new creature," an adopted [child] of God, who has become a "partaker of the divine nature" ( II Corinthians 5:17; II Peter 1:4; Galatians 4:5-7), a member of Christ and co-heir with him ( I Corinthians 6:15; 12:27; Romans 8:17), and a temple of the Holy Spirit. ( I Corinthians 6:19). The Most Holy Trinity gives them sanctifying grace, the grace of justification: enabling them to believe in God, to hope in him, and to love him through the theological virtues; giving them the power to live and act under the prompting of the Holy Spirit through the gifts of the Holy Spirit; and allowing them to grow in goodness through the moral virtues. Questions?
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Paragraph 2. Faith thus receiving and resting on Christ and his righteousness, is the alone instrument of justification; (Romans 3:28) yet is not alone in the person justified, but is ever accompanied with all other saving graces, and is no dead faith, but works by love. (Galatians 5:6, James 2:17, 22, 26)

Catholics do not find Scriptural basis for the doctrine of "Faith Alone," even if it "works by love." We note, for example, that Romans 3:28 "conclude[s] that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law," that is, without conforming to the rites and rituals of Judaism. This is Paul's whole point, that such rites and rituals did not even exist when "Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness," This is because God is not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles, (Romans 4:3) to whom He had not given the law. Paul does not say that one does not have to do good to be saved, only that you don't have to be a practicing Jew. (He was writing to the Romans, after all!)

This is precisely the basis of the Catholic belief that everyone, Jew, Gentile and everybody else, can be saved just as Abraham (as well as the other historic personages noted) was, by doing what he believes is his duty before the God he knows. This, of course, separates our profession of faith from that of many of our Protestant brothers and sisters besides Baptists as well. As noted, when asked what was necessary for "eternal life," Jesus never said, "You must be a Jew," or "You must have faith in me," or "You must take me as your Savior." It just isn't there! (Matthew 19:16; Mark 10:17; Luke 10:25; 18:18) We note that "faith without works is dead..." (James 2:14-26). This is probably a subject on which Catholics and Baptists are in fundamental, and irreconcilable, disagreement.

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Paragraph 3. Christ, by his obedience and death, did fully discharge the debt of all those who are justified; and did, by the sacrifice of himself in the blood of his cross, undergoing in their stead the penalty due to them, make a proper, real, and full satisfaction to God's justice in their behalf; (Hebrews 10:14; I Peter 1:18, 19; Isaiah 53:5, 6) yet, in as much as he was given by the Father for them, and his obedience and satisfaction accepted in their stead, and both freely, not for anything in them, (Romans 8:32; II Corinthians 5:21) their justification is only of free grace, that both the exact justice and rich grace of God might be glorified in the justification of sinners. (Romans 3:26; Ephesians 1:6, 7, 2:7)

This statement appears compatible with Catholic belief, although we might question what "anything in them" means here. Catholics maintain that Christ redeemed mankind because he loves us, that God loves the good which He sees in us which He imparted to us as the pinnacle of his material creation. Questions?
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Paragraph 4. God did from all eternity decree to justify all the elect, (Galatians 3:8, I Peter 1:2, I Timothy 2:6) and Christ did in the fullness of time die for their sins, and rise again for their justification; (Romans 4:25) nevertheless, they are not justified personally, until the Holy Spirit in time does actually apply Christ to them. (Colossians 1:21, 22, Titus 3:4-7)

Catholics would take issue with this assertion as being associated with the doctrine of predestination, which we utterly reject. Questions?
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Paragraph 5. God continues to forgive the sins of those that are justified, (Matthew 6:12, I John 1:7, 9) and although they can never fall from the state of justification, (John 10:28) yet they may, by their sins, fall under God's fatherly displeasure; (Psalms 89:31-33) and in that condition they usually do not have the light of his countenance restored to them, until they humble themselves, beg pardon, and renew their faith and repentance. (Psalms 32:5, Psalm 51, Matthew 26:75)

While Catholics believe in the forgiveness of sins for everybody (I Timothy 2:4), we would disagree with the suggestion of an "elect" incapable of falling from grace or, alternately, of other persons somehow incapable of being forgiven. We cannot be united with God unless we freely choose to love him. But we cannot love God if we sin gravely against him, against our neighbor or against ourselves. We note that Scripture tells us that: There is a sin unto death. (I John 5:16) and there is a sin not unto death. (I John 5:17) Questions?
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Paragraph 6. The justification of believers under the Old Testament was, in all these respects, one and the same with the justification of believers under the New Testament. (Galatians 3:9; Romans 4:22-24)

Because of the restriction to "believers," Catholics regard this statement as referring to the doctrine of Faith Alone, with which we do not agree. We do agree, however, that anyone, Baptist, Catholic, Jew, Muslim, Hindu, Taoist, pagan, or anyone else, who achieves salvation does so through the merits of Jesus Christ, but by whom "no man cometh unto the Father" (John 14:6)Questions?
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CHAPTER 12; OF ADOPTION

Paragraph 1. All those that are justified, God conferred, in and for the sake of his only Son Jesus Christ, to make partakers of the grace of adoption, (Ephesians 1:5; Galatians 4:4, 5) by which they are taken into the number, and enjoy the liberties and privileges of the children of God, (John 1:12; Romans 8:17) have his name put on them, (II Corinthians 6:18; Revelation 3:12) receive the spirit of adoption, (Romans 8:15) have access to the throne of grace with boldness, are enabled to cry Abba, Father, (Galatians 4:6; Ephesians 2:18) are pitied, (Psalms 103:13) protected, (Proverbs 14:26; I Peter 5:7) provided for, (Hebrews 12:6) and chastened by him as by a Father, (Isaiah 54:8, 9) yet never cast off, (Lamentations 3:31) but sealed to the day of redemption, (Ephesians 4:30) and inherit the promises as heirs of everlasting salvation. (Hebrews 1:14, 6:12)

With the understanding that "those that are justified" are those who have been redeemed through the merits of Jesus Christ and are still free to reject that redemption by sin, Catholics would agree with this statement. Questions?
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CHAPTER 13; OF SANCTIFICATION

Paragraph 1. They who are united to Christ, effectually called, and regenerated, having a new heart and a new spirit created in them through the virtue of Christ's death and resurrection, are also farther sanctified, really and personally, (Acts 20:32; Romans 6:5, 6) through the same virtue, by his Word and Spirit dwelling in them; (John 17:17; Ephesians 3:16-19; I Thessalonians 5:21-23) the dominion of the whole body of sin is destroyed, (Romans 6:14) and the several lusts of it are more and more weakened and mortified, (Galatians 5:24) and they more and more quickened and strengthened in all saving graces, (Colossians 1:11) to the practice of all true holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord. (II Corinthians 7:1; Hebrews 12:14)

This statement appears compatible with Catholic belief. Questions?
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Paragraph 2. This sanctification is throughout the whole man, (I Thessalonians 5:23) yet imperfect in this life; there abides still some remnants of corruption in every part, (Romans 7:18, 23) wherefrom arises a continual and irreconcilable war; the flesh lusting against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh. (Galatians 5:17; I Peter 2:11)

This statement appears compatible with Catholic belief. Questions?
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Paragraph 3. In which war, although the remaining corruption for a time may much prevail, (Romans 7:23) yet, through the continual supply of strength from the sanctifying Spirit of Christ, the regenerate part does overcome; (Romans 6:14) and so the saints grow in grace, perfecting holiness in the fear of God, pressing after an heavenly life, in evangelical obedience to all the commands which Christ as Head and King, in his Word has prescribed to them. (Ephesians 4:15, 16; II Corinthians 3:18, 7:1)

Catholics use the term "saints" as those who have achieved salvation, have died, and are now in the intimate presence of, and in eternal union with, God. We have a special feast day in their honor, November 1, of which Halloween is the vigil. We would thus replace "saints" here with "those who achieve salvation." Questions?
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CHAPTER 14; OF SAVING FAITH

Paragraph 1. The grace of faith, whereby the elect are enabled to believe to the saving of their souls, is the work of the Spirit of Christ in their hearts, (II Corinthians 4:13; Ephesians 2:8) and is ordinarily wrought by the ministry of the Word; (Romans 10:14, 17) by which also, and by the administration of Baptism and the Lord's supper, prayer, and other means appointed of God, it is increased and strengthened. (Luke 17:5; I Peter 2:2; Acts 20:32)

Catholics would replace the words "the elect" with "true believers." In addition, we would hasten to point out that these are those who genuinely and voluntarily embrace "true faith," given to them by the Holy Spirit by whatever means, and consisting of whatever precepts, He chooses. Questions?
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Paragraph 2. By this faith a Christian believes to be true whatsoever is revealed in the Word for the authority of God himself, (Acts 24:14) and also apprehends an excellency therein above all other writings and all things in the world, (Psalms 19:7-10, 69:72) as it bears forth the glory of God in his attributes, the excellency of Christ in his nature and offices, and the power and fullness of the Holy Spirit in his workings and operations: and so is enabled to cast his soul upon the truth consequently believed; (II Timothy 1:12) and also acts differently upon that which each particular passage thereof contains; yielding obedience to the commands, (John 15:14) trembling at the threatenings, (Isaiah 116:2) and embracing the promises of God for this life and that which is to come; (Hebrews 11:13) but the principle acts of saving faith have immediate relation to Christ, accepting, receiving, and resting upon him alone for justification, sanctification, and eternal life, by virtue of the covenant of grace. (John 1:12; Acts 16:31; Galatians 2:20; Acts 15:11)

Catholics would agree with this, although we might disagree with our Baptist brothers and sisters about what a "Christian" is. Questions?
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Paragraph 3. This faith, although it be in different stages, and may be weak or strong, (Hebrews 5:13, 14; Matthew 6:30; Romans 4:19, 20) yet it is in the least degree of it different in the kind or nature of it, as is all other saving grace, from the faith and common grace of temporary believers; (II Peter 1:1) and therefore, though it may be many times assailed and weakened, yet it gets the victory, (Ephesians 6:16; I John 5:4, 5) growing up in many to the attainment of a full assurance through Christ, (Hebrews 6:11, 12; Colossians 2:2) who is both the author and finisher of our faith. (Hebrews 12:2)

This statement appears compatible with Catholic belief, with the understanding that "temporary believers" are those who freely choose to reject the love of God in which they profess to believe. Questions?
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CHAPTER 15; OF REPENTANCE UNTO LIFE AND SALVATION

Paragraph 1. Such of the elect that are converted at riper years, having sometime lived in the state of nature, and therein served divers pleasures, God in their effectual calling gives them repentance to life. (Titus 3:2-5)

Catholics would delete "of the elect" from this statement. Questions?
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Paragraph 2. Whereas there is none that does good and does not sin, (Ecclesiastes 7:20) and the best of men may, through the power and deceitfulness of their corruption dwelling in them, with the prevalency of temptation, fall in to great sins and provocations; God has, in the covenant of grace, mercifully provided that believers so sinning and falling be renewed through repentance unto salvation. (Luke 22:31, 22)

Catholics note that Ecclesiastes 7:20 says specifically, "...there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not." Therefore, we disagree with the implication that the quotation implies that unredeemed man is incapable of good. We in fact recognize, from our own experience, that even unredeemed man is capable of great love, kindness, steadfastness and generosity. We would replace the word "believers" with the word "those" in this statement. Questions?
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Paragraph 3. This saving repentance is an evangelical grace, (Zechariah 12:10; Acts 11:18) whereby a person, being by the Holy Spirit made sensible of the manifold evils of his sin, does, by faith in Christ, humble himself for it with godly sorrow, detestation of it, and self-abhorrancy, (Ezekiel 36:31; II Corinthians 7:11) praying for pardon and strength of grace, with a purpose and endeavor, by supplies of the Spirit, to walk before God unto all well-pleasing in all things. (Psalms 119:6, 128)

Catholics would delete the words "by faith in Christ," from this statement. We believe that God forgives sins of other than Christians if they are truly sorry for them. Questions?
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Paragraph 4. As repentance is to be continued through the whole course of our lives, upon the account of the body of death, and the motions thereof, so it is every man's duty to repent of his particular known sins particularly. (Luke 19:8; I Timothy 1:13, 15)

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Paragraph 5. Such is the provision which God has made through Christ in the covenant of grace for the preservation of believers unto salvation, that although there is no sin so small but it deserves damnation, (Romans 6:23) yet there is no sin so great that it shall bring damnation to them that repent, (Isaiah 1:16-18, 55:7) which makes the constant preaching of repentance necessary.

Catholics take issue with this. First of all, we would disagree with any assertion that "preservation of believers unto salvation" restricts God's forgiveness only to Christians (or to Baptists, particularly). We maintain that God forgives the sins of all those who truly repent of them. Second, Scripture tells us that: All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death. (I John 5:17), which therefore does not deserve damnation (of anyone). Questions?
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CHAPTER 16; OF GOOD WORKS

Paragraph 1. Good works are only such as God has commanded in his Holy Word, (Micah 6:8; Hebrews 13:21) and not such as without the warrant thereof are devised by men out of blind zeal, or upon any pretense of good intentions. (Matthew 15:9; Isaiah 29:13)

The belief that the only good works are those motivated by faith (in particular Christian faith) arises from the doctrine of Faith Alone, with which Catholics fundamentally take issue. We maintain that anyone, including pagans and great sinners, can be, and frequently are, motivated to do good and praiseworthy things by no less genuine zeal than that of Christians, and that these actions are good in themselves by their intent and effect, quite apart from Scripture. We also maintain that such persons. like Christians, are capable of sincere and honest good intentions, for which God, in His infinite justice, surely rewards them.Questions?
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Paragraph 2. These good works, done in obedience to God's commandments, are the fruits and evidences of a true and lively faith; (James 2:18, 22) and by them believers manifest their thankfulness, (Psalms 116:12, 13) strengthen their assurance, (I John 2:3, 5; II Peter 1:5-11) edify their brethren, adorn the profession of the Gospel, (Matthew 5:16) stop the mouths of the adversaries, and glory God, (I Timothy 6:1; I Peter 2:15; Philemon 1:11) whose workmanship they are, created in Christ Jesus thereunto, (Ephesians 2:10) that having their fruit unto holiness they may have the end eternal life. (Romans 6:22)

Catholics would substitute "their understanding of their duty to the God in which they believe" for "God's commandments" and "those who seek God" for "believers" in the foregoing statement. Questions?
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Paragraph 3. Their ability to do good works is not all of themselves, but wholly from the Spirit of Christ; (John 15:4, 5) and that they may be enabled thereunto, besides the graces they have already received, there is necessary an actual influence of the same Holy Spirit, to work in them and to will and to do of his good pleasure; (II Corinthians 3:5; Philemon 2:13) yet they are not bound to perform any duty, unless upon a special motion of the Spirit, but they ought to be diligent in stirring up the grace of God that is in them. (Philemon 2:12; Hebrews 6:11, 12; Isaiah 64:7)

With the understanding that "their," "themselves," "they," and "them" refers to all those who seek to do the will of God as they understand it, Catholics would agree with this statement. Questions?
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Paragraph 4. They who in their obedience attain to the greatest height which is possible in this life, are so far from being able to supererogate, and to do more than God requires, as that they fall short of much which in duty they are bound to do. (Job 9:2, 3; Galatians 5:17; Luke 17:10)

This statement appears compatible with Catholic belief, at least as it applies to contemporary man. We would note that a just God does not, and, indeed cannot expect more of man than he is capable of doing, but we all fall short of even that. Questions?
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Paragraph 5. We cannot by our best works merit pardon of sin or eternal life at the hand of God, by reason of the great disproportion that is between them and the glory to come, and the infinite distance that is between us and God, whom by them we can neither profit nor satisfy for the debt of our former sins; (Romans 3:20; Ephesians 2:8, 9; Romans 4:6) but when we have done all we can, we have done but our duty, and are unprofitable servants; and because they are good they proceed from his Spirit, (Galatians 5:22, 23) and as they are wrought by us they are defiled and mixed with so much weakness and imperfection, that they cannot endure the severity of God's punishment. (Isaiah 64:6; Psalms 43:2)

Catholics would find room for discussion in this statement. When asked "what must I do to gain eternal life," Jesus did not say, "Oh, you can't do anything. In any good work the just man sins!" (Matthew 19:16; Mark 10:17; Luke 10:25; 18:18) Indeed, the entire teaching of Christ, recorded in the Gospels, emphasizes again and again, various good works in advance, or sometimes in the absence, of their acknowledging him as their savior. Questions?
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Paragraph 6. Yet notwithstanding the persons of believers being accepted through Christ, their good works also are accepted in him; (Ephesians 1:5; I Peter 1:5) not as thought they were in this life wholly unblamable and unreprovable in God's sight, but that he, looking upon them in his Son, is pleased to accept and reward that which is sincere, although accompanied with many weaknesses and imperfection. (Matthew 25:21, 23; Hebrews 6:10)

Catholics would eliminate the opening words, "Yet notwithstanding the persons of believers" in the foregoing. Questions?
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Paragraph 7. Works done by unregenerate men, although for the matter of them they may things which God commands, and of good use both to themselves and to others; (II Kings 10:30; I Kings 21:27, 29) yet because they proceed not from a heart purified by faith, (Genesis 4:5; Hebrews 11:4, 6) nor are done in a right manner according to the Word, (I Corinthians 13:1) nor to a right end, the glory of God, (Matthew 6:2, 5) they are therefore sinful, and cannot please God, nor make a man meet to receive the grace from God, (Amos 5:21, 22; Romans 9:16; Titus 3:5) and yet their neglect of them is more sinful and displeasing to God. (Job 21:14, 15; Matthew 25:41-43)

Catholics utterly reject this assertion as being totally incompatible with our understanding of the nature of a Just God. Questions?
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CHAPTER 17; OF THE PERSEVERANCE OF THE SAINTS

Paragraph 1. Those whom God has accepted in the beloved, effectually called and sanctified by his Spirit, and given the precious faith of his elect unto, can neither totally nor finally fall from the state of grace, but shall certainly persevere therein to the end, and be eternally saved, seeing the gifts and callings of God are without repentance, from which source he still begets and nourishes in them faith, repentance, love, joy, hope, and all the graces of the Spirit unto immortality; (John 10:28, 29; Philemon 1:6; II Timothy 2:19; I John 2:19) and though many storms and floods arise and beat against them, yet they shall never be able to take them off that foundation and rock which by faith they are fastened upon; notwithstanding, through unbelief and the temptations of Satan, the sensible sight of the light and love of God may for a time be clouded and obscured from them, (Psalms 89:31, 32; I Corinthians 11:32) yet he is still the same, and they shall be sure to be kept by the power of God unto salvation, where they shall enjoy their purchased possession, they being engraved upon the palm of his hands, and their names having been written in the book of life from all eternity. (Malachi 3:6)

Paragraph 2. This perseverance of the saints depends not upon their own free will, but upon the immutability of the decree of election, (Romans 8:30, 9:11, 16) flowing from the free and unchangeable love of God the Father, upon the efficacy of the merit and intercession of Jesus Christ and union with him, (Romans 5:9, 10; John 14:19) the oath of God, (Hebrews 6:17, 18) the abiding of his Spirit, and the seed of God within them, (I John 3:9) and the nature of the covenant of grace; (Jeremiah 32:40) from all which ariseth also the certainty and infallibility thereof.

Paragraph 3. And though they may, through the temptation of Satan and of the world, the prevalency of corruption remaining in them, and the neglect of means of their preservation, fall into grievous sins, and for a time continue therein, (Matthew 26:70, 72, 74) whereby they incur God's displeasure and grieve his Holy Spirit, (Isaiah 64:5, 9; Ephesians 4:30) come to have their graces and comforts impaired, (Psalms 51:10, 12) have their hearts hardened, and their consciences wounded, (Psalms 32:3, 4) hurt and scandalize others, and bring temporal judgments upon themselves, (II Samuel 12:14) yet shall they renew their repentance and be preserved through faith in Christ Jesus to the end. (Luke 22:32, 61, 62)

As previously noted, Catholics absolutely reject the belief that those who have cooperated with Christ in their redemption and have received the rewards associated with it in this life, are incapable foolishly of turning away from God to the condemnation of their immortal souls. Much more do we reject the belief that God has created anyone whom He has not intended for, and who is not capable, in cooperation with God's grace, of eternal salvation. We do not find the Baptist arguments that Scripture supports either of these doctrines compelling.

The Catholic practice of scrupulously examining the lives of those departed whom we propose to canonize as saints, and of doing so only after the certification of miracles attributed to their intercession with God on our behalf, is testimony to our belief that one can be certain of eternal salvation only after he or she has achieved the final victory.

We do not consider any living person or group of them, including Baptists, to have exhibited, by any reasonable standard, the level of holiness and sanctity which Catholics require of those whom we call "saints."

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CHAPTER 18; OF THE ASSURANCE OF GRACE AND SALVATION

Paragraph 1. Although temporary believers and other unregenerate men, may vainly deceive themselves with false hopes and carnal presumptions of being in the favor of God and in a state of salvation, which hope of theirs shall perish; (I John 2:3, 3:14, 18, 19, 21, 24, 5:13) yet such as truly believe in the Lord Jesus, and love him in sincerity, endeavouring to walk in all good conscience before him, may in this life be certainly assured that they are in the state of grace, and may rejoice in the hope of the glory of God, (I John 2:3, 3:14, 18, 19, 21, 24, 5:13) which hope shall never make them ashamed. (Romans 5:2, 5)

Paragraph 2. This certainty is not a bare conjectural and probable persuasion grounded upon a fallible hope, but an infallible assurance of faith, (Hebrews 6:17, 18) founded on the blood and righteousness of Christ revealed in the Gospel; (Hebrews 6:17, 18) and also upon the inward evidence of those graces of the Spirit unto which promises are made, (II Peter 1:4, 5, 10, 11) and on the testimony of the Spirit of adoption, witnessing with our spirits that we are the children of God; (Romans 8:15, 16) and, as a fruit thereof, keeping the heart both humble and holy. (I John 3:1-3)

Paragraph 3. This infallible assurance does not so belong to the essence of faith, but that a true believer may wait long, and struggle with many difficulties before he be partaker of it; (Isaiah 50:10; Psalm 88; Psalms 77:1-12) yet being enabled by the Spirit to know the things which are freely given him of God, he may, without extraordinary revelation, in the right use of means, attain thereunto: (I John 4:13; Hebrews 6:11, 12) and therefore it is the duty of every one to give all diligence to make his calling and election sure, that thereby his heart may be enlarged in peace and joy in the Holy Spirit, in love and thankfulness to God, and in strength and cheerfulness in the duties of obedience, the proper fruits of this assurance; (Romans 5:1, 2, 5, 14:17; Psalms 119:32) -so far is it from inclining men to looseness. (Romans 6:1, 2; Titus 2:11, 12, 14)

Paragraph 4. True believers may have the assurance of their salvation divers ways shaken, diminished, and intermitted; as by negligence in preserving of it, (The Song of Solomon 5:2, 3, 6) by falling into some special sin which wounds the conscience and grieves the Spirit; (Psalms 51:8, Psalm 12, Psalm 14) by some sudden or vehement temptation, (Psalms 116:11; Psalms 77:7, 8, Psalms 31:22) by God's withdrawing the light of his countenance, and suffering even such as fear him to walk in darkness and to have no light, (Psalms 30:7) yet are they never destitute of the seed of God (I John 3:9) and life of faith, (Luke 22:32) that love of Christ and the brethren, that sincerity of heart and conscience of duty out of which, by the operation of the Spirit, this assurance may in due time be revived, (Psalms 42:5, 11) and by the which, in the meantime, they are preserved from utter despair. (Lamentations 3:26-31)

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CHAPTER 19; OF THE LAW OF GOD

Paragraph 1. God gave to Adam a law of universal obedience written in his heart, and a particular precept of not eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil; (Genesis 1:27; Ecclesiastes 7:29) by which he bound him and all his posterity to personal, entire, exact, and perpetual obedience; (Romans 10:5) promised life upon the fulfilling, and threatened death upon the breach of it, and endued him with power and ability to keep it. (Galatians 3:10, 12)

Although we would perhaps agree with this depiction of the creation of man, Catholics believe that the account of the fall in Genesis 3 uses figurative language, but affirms a primeval event, a deed that took place at the beginning of the history of man by which he chose not to be a submitter to the will of God. The statement: "for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die." (Genesis 2:17) symbolically describes the potential for, and consequences of, this choice. Questions?
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Paragraph 2. The same law that was first written in the heart of man continued to be a perfect rule of righteousness after the fall, (Romans 2:14, 15) and was delivered by God upon Mount Sinai, in ten commandments, and written in two tables, the four first containing our duty towards God, and the other six, our duty to man. (Deuteronomy 10:4)

Nowhere in Scripture, including Deuteronomy 10:4, suggests that The "Ten Commandments" were "the same law that was first written in the heart of man" or how they were arranged on the tablets. They are, in fact, a catechetical formula, an invention of man, a handy means of remembering the essence of the instructions contained in Exodus 20:2-17 and Deuteronomy 5:6-21 that are not numbered in either reference.

As a result of attempts possibly to make Exodus 20:2-17 and Deuteronomy 5:6-21 look like a reference to Deuteronomy 10:4, Catholic and Protestant teachers alike constructed exactly Ten Commandments out of these two sources. Protestants used the KJV, while Catholics used the Vulgate, resulting in different statements of each of the Commandments. Catholics list three Commandments containing our duty towards God, and seven containing our duty to man.

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Paragraph 3. Besides this law, commonly called moral, God was pleased to give to the people of Israel ceremonial laws, containing several typical ordinances, partly of worship, prefiguring Christ, his graces, actions, sufferings, and benefits; (Hebrews 10:1; Colossians 2:17) and partly holding forth divers instructions of moral duties, (I Corinthians 5:7) all which ceremonial laws being appointed only to the time of reformation, are, by Jesus Christ the true Messiah and only law-giver, who was furnished with power from the Father for that end abrogated and taken away. (Colossians 2:14, 16, 17; Ephesians 2:14, 16)

Catholics find the claim of Scriptural support, especially the references noted, for the assertion that the "Israel ceremonial laws" were "abrogated and taken away" less than convincing. Indeed, Jesus himself said, "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill." (Matthew 5:17). Romans 13:8 tells us, "Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law." It is difficult to understand how Saint Paul could have been concerned about fulfilling a law that had been "abrogated and taken away."

Catholics refer to the Jewish People, as "our elder brothers in the faith," "the first to hear the Word of God." We believe that the Jewish faith, unlike other non-Christian religions, is already a response to God's revelation in the Old Covenant. To the Jews belong the sonship, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises; to them belong the patriarchs, and of their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ. (Romans 9:4-5) For the gifts and the call of God are irrevocable. (Romans 11:29)

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Paragraph 4. To them also he gave sundry judicial laws, which expired together with the state of that people, not obliging any now by virtue of that institution; their general equity only being of modern use. (I Corinthians 9:8-10)

Catholics do not consider the Scriptural reference quoted, or any other, as supporting this assertion. Questions?
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Paragraph 5. The moral law does for ever bind all, as well justified persons as others, to the obedience thereof, (Romans 13:8-10; James 2:8, 10-12) and that not only in regard of the matter contained in it, but also in respect of the authority of God the Creator, who gave it; (James 2:10, 11) neither does Christ in the Gospel any way dissolve, but much strengthen this obligation. (Matthew 5:17-19; Romans 3:31)

Catholics would delete the words "as well justified persons as others," from this sentence. Questions?
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Paragraph 6. Although true believers are not under the law as a covenant of works, to be thereby justified or condemned, (Romans 6:14; Galatians 2:16; Romans 8:1, 10:4) yet it is of great use to them as well as to others, in that as a rule of life, informing them of the will of God and their duty, it directs and binds them to walk accordingly; discovering also the sinful pollutions of their natures, hearts, and lives, so as examining themselves thereby, they may come to further conviction of, humiliation for, and hatred against, sin; (Romans 3:20, 7:7, etc.) together with a clearer sight of the need they have of Christ and the perfection of his obedience; it is likewise of use to the regenerate to restrain their corruptions, in that it forbids sin; and the threatenings of it serve to show what even their sins deserve, and what afflictions in this life they may expect for them, although freed from the curse and unallayed rigour thereof. The promises of it likewise show them God's approbation of obedience, and what blessings they may expect upon the performance thereof, though not as due to them by the law as a covenant of works; so as man's doing good and refraining from evil, because the law encourages to the one and deters from the other, is no evidence of his being under the law and not under grace. (Romans 6:12-14; I Peter 3:8-13)

Although Catholics would agree that Christians are not subject to all of the laws of Judaism, we certainly recognize our obligation to conform to those which command the same observances as the moral law, civil law, and ecclesiastical law, all of which require "works" of one sort or another.

The point at issue here is whether "works" are required of Christians for Salvation, or if "Faith Alone" is sufficient. As noted previously, Christ himself said that one must do something to be saved. (Matthew 19:16; Mark 10:17; Luke 10:25; 18:18) Paragraph 6 thus appears to contradict those statements in Scripture.

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Paragraph 7. Neither are the aforementioned uses of the law contrary to the grace of the Gospel, but do sweetly comply with it, (Galatians 3:21) the Spirit of Christ subduing and enabling the will of man to do that freely and cheerfully which the will of God, revealed in the law, requires to be done. (Ezekiel 36:27)

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CHAPTER 20; OF THE GOSPEL AND OF THE EXTENT OF THE GRACE THEREOF

Paragraph 1. The covenant of works being broken by sin, and made unprofitable unto life, God was pleased to give forth the promise of Christ, the seed of the woman, as the means of calling the elect, and begetting in them faith and repentance; (Genesis 3:15) in this promise the Gospel, as to the substance of it, was revealed, and [is] therein effectual for the conversion and salvation of sinners. (Revelation 13:8)

Catholics agree that Christ is the Savior of all mankind. Questions?
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Paragraph 2. This promise of Christ, and salvation by him, is revealed only by the Word of God; (Romans 1:17) neither do the works of creation or providence, with the light of nature, make discovery of Christ, or of grace by him, so much as in a general or obscure way; (Romans 10:14, 15, 17) much less that men destitute of the revelation of Him by the promise or Gospel, should be enabled thereby to attain saving faith or repentance. (Proverbs 29:18; Isaiah 25:7; 60:2, 3)

Catholics believe that Every man who is ignorant of the Gospel of Christ and of his Church, but seeks the truth and does the will of God in accordance with his understanding of it, can be saved This specifically includes, among others, practicing Jews, the priestly people of God, called by the name of the Lord, the first to hear the word of God and the people of "elder brethren" in the faith of Abraham. We maintain that God is no respecter of persons, but in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him. (Acts 10:34-35) Questions?
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Paragraph 3. The revelation of the Gospel to sinners, made in divers times and by sundry parts, with the addition of promises and precepts for the obedience required therein, as to the nations and persons to whom it is granted, is merely of the sovereign will and good pleasure of God; (Psalms 147:20; Acts 16:7) not being annexed by virtue of any promise to the due improvement of men's natural abilities, by virtue of common light received without it, which none ever made, or can do so; (Romans 1:18-32) and therefore in all ages, the preaching of the Gospel has been granted unto persons and nations, as to the extent or straitening of it, in great variety, according to the counsel of the will of God.

Catholics would agree that God commands and allows many people to proclaim the Gospel. (Mark 16:15) Not all of them do it as well as others, and none of them are required for salvation of anybody. Questions?
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Paragraph 4. Although the Gospel be the only outward means of revealing Christ and saving grace, and is, as such, abundantly sufficient thereunto; yet that men who are dead in trespasses may be born again, quickened or regenerated, there is moreover necessary an effectual insuperable work of the Holy Spirit upon the whole soul, for the producing in them a new spiritual life; (Psalms 110:3; I Corinthians 2:14; Ephesians 1:19, 20) without which no other means will effect their conversion unto God. (John 6:44; II Corinthians 4:4, 6)

This appears to say that the Holy Spirit is involved in conversion of sinners to whom has been preached the Gospel. Catholics would agree with that, but not that the Gospel is sufficient for salvation. Questions?
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CHAPTER 21; OF CHRISTIAN LIBERTY AND LIBERTY OF CONSCIENCE

Paragraph 1. The liberty which Christ has purchased for believers under the Gospel, consists in their freedom from the guilt of sin, the condemning wrath of God, the severity and curse of the law, (Galatians 3:13) and in their being delivered from this present evil world, (Galatians 1:4) bondage to Satan, (Acts 26:18) and dominion of sin, (Romans 8:3) from the evil of afflictions, (Romans 8:28) the fear and sting of death, the victory of the grave, (I Corinthians 15:54-57) and everlasting damnation: (II Thessalonians 1:10) as also in their free access to God, and their yielding obedience unto Him, not out of slavish fear, (Romans 8:15) but a child-like love and willing mind. (Luke 1:73-75; I John 4:18) All which were common also to believers under the law for the substance of them; (Galatians 3:9, 14) but under the New Testament the liberty of Christians is further enlarged, in their freedom from the yoke of a ceremonial law, to which the Jewish church was subjected, and in greater boldness of access to the throne of grace, and in fuller communications of the free Spirit of God, than believers under the law did ordinarily partake of. (John 7:38, 29; Hebrews 10:19-21)

Catholics would delete "for believers under the Gospel" from this sentence. Being Christians, we agree that Christianity is the fulfillment of the promise God made to His Chosen People. We might well also question what "yoke of a ceremonial law" means here, since Christians (of all faiths) are no less bound in conscience to do what their faith requires of them than were (and are) the Jews. Questions?
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Paragraph 2. God alone is Lord of the conscience, (James 4:12; Romans 14:4) and has left it free from the doctrines and commandments of men which are in any thing contrary to his word, or not contained in it. (Acts 4:19, 29; I Corinthians 7:23; Matthew 15:9) So that to believe such doctrines, or obey such commands out of conscience, is to betray true liberty of conscience; (Colossians 2:20, 22, 23) and the requiring of an implicit faith, an absolute and blind obedience, is to destroy liberty of conscience and reason also. (I Corinthians 3:5; II Corinthians 1:24)

This statement, apparently uncontroversial in itself, contains the basis for a fundamental disagreement between Catholics and other Christians concerning the teaching authority of the Church. Regardless of the other considerations, Catholics believe that the Church has the right, and, indeed, the duty, to preach the Gospel and that God's people have a consequent duty to believe it as taught. This was one of the principle objections of the Reformers, and probably represents an insuperable obstacle to union of faith between Catholics and Baptists. Questions?
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Paragraph 3. They who upon pretence of Christian liberty do practice any sin, or cherish any sinful lust, as they do thereby pervert the main design of the grace of the Gospel to their own destruction, (Romans 6:1, 2) so they wholly destroy the end of Christian liberty, which is, that being delivered out of the hands of all our enemies, we might serve the Lord without fear, in holiness and righeousness before Him, all the days of our lives. (Galatians 5:13; II Peter 2:18, 21)

This statement appears compatible with Catholic belief, except that we would disagree that all but the most serious sins "wholly destroy the end of Christian liberty." Catholics believe that other sins "not unto death" detract from, but do not wholly destroy, the righteousness which is required for salvation. Questions?
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CHAPTER 22; OF RELIGIOUS WORSHIP AND THE SABBATH DAY

Paragraph 1. The light of nature shows that there is a God, who has lordship and sovereignty over all; is just, good and does good to all; and is therefore to be feared, loved, praised, called upon, trusted in, and served, with all the heart and all the soul, and with all the might. (Jeremiah 10:7; Mark 12:33) But the acceptable way of worshiping the true God, is instituted by himself, (Deuteronomy 12:32) and so limited by his own revealed will, that he may not be worshiped according to the imagination and devices of men, nor the suggestions of Satan, under any visible representations, or any other way not prescribed in the Holy Scriptures. (Exodus 20:4-6)

Catholics would substitute "should not" for "may not." We would, of course, agree with the statement on that basis, but recognize that there may be, and most certainly are, devout persons who sincerely seek God in another way that does not know that, for which He, in His infinite justice, surely rewards them. We believe that in every nation he that feareth Him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with Him. (Acts 10:35) Questions?
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Paragraph 2. Religious worship is to be given to God the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, and to him alone; (Matthew 4:9, 10; John 6:23; Matthew 28:19) not to angels, saints, or any other creatures; (Romans 1:25; Colossians 2:18; Revelation 19:10) and since the fall, not without a mediator, (John 14:6) nor in the mediation of any other but Christ alone. (I Timothy 2:5)

Catholics certainly agree with what this says, but perhaps not with how Baptists believe it. In a tradition begun by the Reformers, Baptists frequently, and unjustly, accuse Catholics of worshiping the pope, Mary, saints, statues, hunks of bread and perhaps other unlikely persons or things as well. The foregoing appears to address this error.

The misunderstanding may be semantic, with respect to the meaning of the word worship. Baptist and Catholic concepts of worship appear to be so dissimilar as to make it impossible to reach a consensus about what the word actually means or implies. The main focus of Catholic worship is the formal sacrifice of the mass. Not having the mass, Baptists do other things in their liturgy, which contains much that Catholics would probably regard as inspirational entertainment. (My first grade grandson claims that grandma's Baptist church is more "fun" than grandpa's Catholic one.) Catholics may do some or all of these same things (for entertainment or inspiration or for other purposes) but would not consider them a form of worship. We note in passing that Baptists find much of what we do similarly confusing, often due to faulty assumptions. They seem, for reasons we do not understand, to expect us to observe, know, and understand their motivations and rules of behavior in this regard.

Catholics regard worship of God (by anyone) as what the worshiper does or intends, not necessarily what other people believe, think or assume he is doing. We maintain, however, that God reciprocates with blessing any human activity, whatever it is, which is done with the sincere intent to please Him.

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Paragraph 3. Prayer, with thanksgiving, being one part of natural worship, is by God required of all men. (Psalms 95:1-7, 65:2) But that it may be accepted, it is to be made in the name of the Son, (John 14:13, 14) by the help of the Spirit, (Romans 8:26) according to his will; (I John 5:14) with understanding, reverence, humility, fervency, faith, love, and perseverance; and when with others, in a known tongue. (I Corinthians 14:16, 17)

Catholics would probably replace "But that it may be accepted, it is to be" with "For Christians, it is" in the foregoing statement. We maintain that God accepts and rewards prayer (and worship) from anyone, in any way that person (not a bystander) sincerely believes is right and just.

As far as the "known tongue" part is concerned, Catholics agree that it is better, from a practical point of view, for those who pray to understand what they are saying. We do not, however, rule out the spiritual efficacy, for example, of someone joining in prayer with others who are speaking a language which he does not, as long as he is also doing something that he believes is right and just.

This concern arose among the Reformers who claimed, rightly, that those who did not understand Latin would be better off praying in their own language, and regarded Latin as an "unknown tongue." However, Catholics adopted Latin as their ceremonial language, in preference to Greek, precisely because it was the language of the common people at the time, known by virtually everbody. The problem arose only many centuries later when national languages became dominant, and when Christian missionaries encountered foreign languages. Latin then became regarded as a "unifying" language reflecting the unity of Christians, much as Hebrew was a unifying language for the Jews. Catholics today celebrate their liturgy in whatever language is most appropriate, usually that normally spoken by the congregation.

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Paragraph 4. Prayer is to be made for things lawful, and for all sorts of men living, or that shall live hereafter; (I Timothy 2:1, 2; II Samuel 7:29) but not for the dead, (II Samuel 12:21-23) nor for those of whom it may be known that they have sinned the sin unto death. (I John 5:16)

This is another point of departure between Baptists and Catholics. First of all, we note that II Samuel 12:21-23 refers to David's prayer that his and Bathesheba's sick (but live) child would recover, which was, of course, without meaning after the child was found already to have died. Second, we would agree that prayer for anything for the saints is unnecessary and inappropriate, and for those in hell, if any, would be ineffective as well for the same reason. Third, since we believe that sin is committed in the will of the sinner, that is known only to him and God, we maintain that it is simply not possible that "it may be known that they have sinned the sin unto death." We understand the reason for not praying for such people, if indeed they could be identified, to be associated with the doctrine of predestination, with which we emphatically disagree. Catholics pray for "us sinners," realizing that this includes everybody who is not now a saint in heaven. We note that "the wages of sin is death" (Romans 6:23), not "eternal death" as it is often misquoted. Anyone who believes that somebody (including himself) is not a sinner can just wait and see what happens to him. Questions?
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Paragraph 5. The reading of the Scriptures, (I Timothy 4:13) preaching, and hearing the Word of God, (II Timothy 4:2; Luke 8:18) teaching and admonishing one another in psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs, singing with grace in our hearts to the Lord; (Colossians 3:16; Ephesians 5:19) as also the administration of Baptism, (Matthew 28:19, 20) and the Lord's supper, (I Corinthians 11:26) are all parts of religious worship of God, to be performed in obedience to him, with understanding, faith, reverence, and godly fear; moreover, solemn humiliation, with fastings, (Esther 4:16; Joel 2:12) and thanksgivings, upon special occasions, ought to be used in an holy and religious manner. (Exodus 15:1-19, Psalm 107)

This statement appears compatible with Catholic belief. We note in passing, however, that Catholic worship consists of far more, and often other, than the reading of the Scriptures, preaching, hearing the Word of God, teaching and admonishing one another in psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs, singing, and the administration of Baptism. Moreover, the central focus of Catholic worship is the sacrifice of the mass, which Baptists refer to as "the Lord's supper." Questions?
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Paragraph 6. Neither prayer nor any other part of religious worship, is now under the Gospel, tied unto, or made more acceptable by any place in which it is performed, or towards which it is directed; but God is to be worshiped everywhere in spirit and in truth; (John 4:21; Malachi 1:11; I Timothy 2:8) as in private families (Acts 10:2) daily, (Matthew 6:11; Psalms 55:17) and in secret each one by himself; (Matthew 6:6) so more solemnly in the public assemblies, which are not carelessly nor wilfully to be neglected or forsaken, when God by his word or providence calls thereunto. (Hebrews 10:25; Acts 2:42)

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Paragraph 7. As it is the law of nature, that in general a proportion of time, by God's appointment, be set apart for the worship of God, so by his Word, in a positive moral, and perpetual commandment, binding all men, in all ages, he has particularly appointed one day in seven for a Sabbath to be kept holy unto him, (Exodus 20:8) which from the beginning of the world to the resurrection of Christ was the last day of the week, and from the resurrection of Christ was changed into the first day of the week, which is called the Lord's Day: (I Corinthians 16:1, 2; Acts 20:7; Revelation 1:10) and is to be continued to the end of the world as the Christian Sabbath, the observation of the last day of the week being abolished.

Catholics do not find in Scripture, including the references cited, compelling evidence that the Sabbath is "a law of nature," or that the observation of the last day of the week was abolished. Indeed, I Corinthians 16:1, 2 refers to a collection that may well have been taken up on the first day of the week because it would have been unlawful under their customary observances for the Christian Corinthians to do that work on the last day, that is, the Sabbath. Be that as it may, Catholics regard the worship celebrated on Sunday as commemorating the Resurrection, similar to, but not the same as, Exodus 20:8. Catholics regard their obligation to attend worship on Sunday to be a mandate by the Church, to which others may or may not feel obliged. Regarding questions about what day of the week is appropriate, we note that in the United States and some other countries, Sunday is assumed to be the first day of the week, but international convention (ISO 8601) begins the week on Monday, making Sunday the last day of the week by international agreement. Catholics have Monday services, and those on other days, including Sunday of course, as well. Questions?
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Paragraph 8. The Sabbath is then kept holy unto the Lord, when men, after a due preparing of their hearts, and ordering their common affairs aforehand, do not only observe a holy rest all day, from their own works, words and thoughts, about their worldly employment and recreations, (Isaiah 58:13; Nehemiah 13:15-22) but are also taken up the whole time in the public and private exercises of his worship, and in the duties of necessity and mercy. (Matthew 12:1-13)

With the understanding that "Sabbath" here means "appointed day of worship," this statement appears compatible with Catholic belief. We note, however, that "holy rest all day, from their own works, words and thoughts, about their worldly employment and recreations," and "the public and private exercises of his worship" are Jewish traditions, not Christian, and are rarely observed today by either Baptists or Catholics. Questions?
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CHAPTER 23; OF LAWFUL OATHS AND VOWS

Paragraph 1. A lawful oath is a part of religious worship, wherein the person swearing in truth, righteousness, and judgment, solemnly calls God to witness what he swears, (Exodus 20:7; Deuteronomy 10:20; Jeremiah 4:2) and to judge him according to the truth or falseness thereof. (II Chronicles 6:22, 23)

While one may take a vow or swear an oath in association with religious worship (as, for example, to serve God as a member of a religious order), Catholics do not generally consider an oath a part of religious worship. The focus of Catholic worship, the mass, does not include oaths of any kind. Questions?
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Paragraph 2. The name of God only is that by which men ought to swear; and therein it is to be used, with all holy fear and reverence; therefore to swear vainly or rashly by that glorious and dreadful name, or to swear at all by any other thing, is sinful, and to be abhorred; (Matthew 5:34, 37; James 5:12) yet as in matter of weight and moment, for confirmation of truth, and ending all strife, an oath is warranted by the word of God; (Hebrews 6:16; II Corinthians 1:23) so a lawful oath being imposed by lawful authority in such matters, ought to be taken. (Nehemiah 13:25)

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Paragraph 3. Whosoever takes an oath warranted by the word of God, ought duly to consider the weightiness of so solemn an act, and therein to avouch nothing but what he knows to be truth; for that by rash, false, and vain oaths, the Lord is provoked, and for them this land mourns. (Leviticus 19:12; Jeremiah 23:10)

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Paragraph 4. An oath is to be taken in the plain and common sense of the words, without equivocation or mental reservation. (Psalms 24:4)

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Paragraph 5. A vow, which is not to be made to any creature, but to God alone, is to be made and performed with all religious care and faithfulness; (Psalms 76:11; Genesis 28:20-22) but popish monastical vows of perpetual single life, (I Corinthians 7:2, 9) professed poverty, (Ephesians 4:28) and regular obedience, are so far from being degrees of higher perfection, that they are superstitious and sinful snares, in which no Christian may entangle himself. (Matthew 19:1)

The references cited, including Matthew 19:1-9, require faithfulness of husbands and wives (I Corinthians 7:2), marriage as superior to fornication (I Corinthians 7:9), and working for a living rather than stealing (Ephesians 4:28), with which Catholics would certainly agree. However, they have nothing whatever to do with vows of poverty, chastity or obedience. Indeed, Saint Paul claims that it is good for a man not to touch a woman (I Corinthians 7:1), and says to the unmarried and widows that it is good for them if they abide even as he, that is, single (I Corinthians 7:8), and to seek not a wife (I Corinthians 7:27). He notes that the unmarried woman careth for the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit: but she that is married careth for the things of the world, how she may please her husband. (I Corinthians 7:34).

Moreover, Jesus himself praised a spirit of poverty (Matthew 5:3) and purity of heart (Matthew 5:8), which is why Catholics have a formal practice of them.

These "popish monastical vows" were part of Catholic practices that the Reformers rejected, especially King Henry VIII, who was eager to get his hands on the wealth of English Catholic monks and nuns. It suited this purpose to promote the idea that they were not entitled to it because they had sinfully acquired it.

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CHAPTER 24; OF THE CIVIL MAGISTRATE

Paragraph 1. God, the supreme Lord and King of all the world, has ordained civil magistrates to be under him, over the people, for his own glory and the public good; and to this end has armed them with the power of the sword, for defence and encouragement of them that do good, and for the punishment of evil doers. (Romans 13:1-4)

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Paragraph 2. It is lawful for Christians to accept and execute the office of a magistrate when called thereunto; in the management whereof, as they ought especially to maintain justice and peace, (II Samuel 23:3; Psalms 82:3, 4) according to the wholesome laws of each kingdom and commonwealth, so for that end they may lawfully now, under the New Testament, wage war upon just and necessary occasions. (Luke 3:14)

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Paragraph 3. Civil magistrates being set up by God for the ends aforesaid; subjection, in all lawful things commanded by them, ought to be yielded by us in the Lord, not only for wrath, but for conscience. sake; (Romans 13:5-7; I Peter 2:17) and we ought to make supplications and prayers for kings and all that are in authority, that under them we may live a quiet and peaceable life, in all godliness and honesty. (I Timothy 2:1, 2

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CHAPTER 25; OF MARRIAGE

Paragraph 1. Marriage is to be between one man and one woman; neither is it lawful for any man to have more than one wife, nor for any woman to have more than one husband at the same time. (Genesis 2:24; Malachi 2:15; Matthew 19:5, 6)

The passages cited clearly specify the indissolubility of marriage, a Scriptural mandate which Catholics accept and Baptists do not, not monogamy. There does not appear to be any proscription against polygamy in either the Old or New Testaments except possibly for bishops in I Timothy 3:2, deacons in I Timothy 3:12 and elders in Titus 1:6, and none against polyandry at all. For Catholics, the restriction of one wife and one husband (for life) is a precept of the Church, based only loosely upon Scripture (Matthew 5:32; Mark 10:11-12). Other religions and societies have different rules, including polygamy and polyandry, for what Catholics recognize as naturally valid marriages. Questions?
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Paragraph 2. Marriage was ordained for the mutual help of husband and wife, (Genesis 2:18) for the increase of mankind with a legitimate issue, (Genesis 1:28) and the preventing of uncleanness. (I Corinthians 7:2, 9)

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Paragraph 3. It is lawful for all sorts of people to marry, who are able with judgment to give their consent; (Hebrews 13:4; I Timothy 4:3) yet it is the duty of Christians to marry in the Lord; (I Corinthians 7:39) and therefore such as profess the true religion, should not marry with infidels, or idolaters; neither should such as are godly, be unequally yoked, by marrying with such as are wicked in their life, or maintain damnable heresy. (Nehemiah 13:25-27)

Catholics would agree, although we strongly suspect that "such as are wicked in their life, or maintain damnable heresy" refers to us. We agree with the "unequally yoked" part, however. As a result, we discourage, but do not generally forbid, marriage between Catholics and others. Questions?
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Paragraph 4. Marriage ought not to be within the degrees of consanguinity or affinity, forbidden in the Word; (Leviticus 18) nor can such incestuous marriages ever be made lawful, by any law of man or consent of parties, so as those persons may live together as man and wife. (Mark 6:18; I Corinthians 5:1)

Catholics agree, because such relationships are not sanctioned by the Church. In addition, Catholics are not permitted to marry first cousins, which Leviticus 18 permits, or, except in certain cases, other persons not eligible by local civil law. Questions?
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CHAPTER 26; OF THE CHURCH

Paragraph 1. The catholic or universal church, which (with respect to the internal work of the Spirit and truth of grace) may be called invisible, consists of the whole number of the elect, that have been, are, or shall be gathered into one, under Christ, the head thereof; and is the spouse, the body, the fulness of him that fills all in all. (Hebrews 12:23; Colossians 1:18; Ephesians 1:10, 22, 23, 5:23, 27, 32)

Catholics agree that the Church consists of the People of God. We specifically include persons other than Christians in that definition, however. Questions?
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Paragraph 2. All persons throughout the world, professing the faith of the Gospel, and obedience unto God by Christ according unto it, not destroying their own profession by any errors everting the foundation, or unholiness of conversation, are and may be called visible saints; (I Corinthians 1:2; Acts 11:26) and of such ought all particular congregations to be constituted. (Romans 1:7; Ephesians 1:20-22)

Catholics agree that "all particular congregations [ought] to be constituted" of "persons throughout the world, professing the faith of the Gospel, and obedience unto God by Christ according unto it, not destroying their own profession by any errors everting the foundation, or unholiness of conversation." We do not consider that being called saints makes them so within our meaning. Catholics canonize or formally recognize, sainthood of people who have died and are now united with God in heaven. This is done according to a rigorous and through examination of their profession of faith and demonstrated works that often takes centuries. Questions?
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Paragraph 3. The purest churches under heaven are subject to mixture and error; (I Corinthians 5; Revelation 2, 3) and some have so degenerated as to become no churches of Christ, but synagogues of Satan; (Revelation 18:2; II Thessalonians 2:11, 12) nevertheless Christ always has had, and ever shall have a kingdom in this world, to the end thereof, of such as believe in him, and make profession of his name. (Matthew 16:18; Psalms 72:17, 102:28; Revelation 12:17)

With the understanding that the term "churches" as used here means specific congregations of persons, Catholics agree. We would take issue, however, with the comparison between "churches of Christ" and "synagogues of Satan," which appears to imply, contrary to Catholic belief, that Jewish congregations are somehow less worthy of respect than are Christian congregations. Questions?
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Paragraph 4. The Lord Jesus Christ is the Head of the church, in whom, by the appointment of the Father, all power for the calling, institution, order or government of the church, is invested in a supreme and sovereign manner; (Colossians 1:18; Matthew 28:18-20; Ephesians 4:11, 12) neither can the Pope of Rome in any sense be head thereof, but is that antichrist, that man of sin, and son of perdition, that exalts himself in the church against Christ, and all that is called God; whom the Lord shall destroy with the brightness of his coming. (II Thessalonians 2:2-9)

With exception of the words "in whom, by the appointment of the Father," which appears to make the Son subordinate to the Father in this sentence, Catholics agree right up to the word "neither" in the foregoing. We obviously disagree with the epithets against the office of the pope, whom we believe to be the vicar of Christ, a term of address used by Protestant clergy as well. It may be that the word "vicar" means something different to Baptists than it does to Catholics, so the disagreement may be simply a matter of semantics. However, it is difficult to understand Matthew 16:19 ("And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.") as having any meaning substantially other than that Jesus gave to Peter the absolute authority to "bind and loose," which is what the pope does as the successor of Peter. We note that some other scriptural reference, which may or may not be relevant (such as John 21:15-17), is often quoted by those who dispute this authority and who, apparently, are unable to come up with a coherent alternate understanding of Matthew 16:19. This authority, firmly based on Scripture, makes the pope, at best, the deputy of Christ, as Catholics believe, not a substitute for him. The mistaken assertion that Catholics believe that the pope substitutes for Christ as head of the church in any way whatever is a heresy of Protestant, not Catholic, origin. See the comments at Chapter 8, Paragraph 9. Questions?
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Paragraph 5. In the execution of this power wherewith he is so intrusted, the Lord Jesus calls out of the world unto himself, through the ministry of his word, by his Spirit, those that are given unto him by his Father, (John 10:16; John 12:32) that they may walk before him in all the ways of obedience, which he prescribes to them in his word. (Matthew 28:20 Those thus called, he commands to walk together in particular societies, or churches, for their mutual edification, and the due performance of that public worship, which he requires of them in the world. (Matthew 18:15-20)

Paragraph 6. The members of these churches are saints by calling, visibly manifesting and evidencing (in and by their profession and walking) their obedience unto that call of Christ; (Romans 1:7; I Corinthians 1:2) and do willingly consent to walk together, according to the appointment of Christ; giving up themselves to the Lord, and one to another, by the will of God, in professed subjection to the ordinances of the Gospel. (Acts 2:41, 42, 5:13, 14; II Corinthians 9:13)

These two statements appear to be a restatement of the doctrine of predestination, which Catholics reject. Questions?
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Paragraph 7. To each of these churches therefore gathered, according to his mind declared in his word, he has given all that power and authority, which is in any way needful for their carrying on that order in worship and discipline, which he has instituted for them to observe; with commands and rules for the due and right exerting, and executing of that power. (Matthew 18:17, 18; I Corinthians 5:4, 5, 13, II Corinthians 2:6-8)

Catholics agree with this, except we might not believe it the way Baptists do. Catholic churches are united in a diocese, or territorial church, presided over by a bishop. Each bishop is personally responsible to the pope for the administration of his diocese. The pope, of course, is responsible to the Head of the Church, who is, always has been, and always will be, Jesus Christ. Questions?
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Paragraph 8. A particular church, gathered and completely organized according to the mind of Christ, consists of officers and members; and the officers appointed by Christ to be chosen and set apart by the church (so called and gathered), for the peculiar administration of ordinances, and execution of power or duty, which he intrusts them with, or calls them to, to be continued to the end of the world, are bishops or elders, and deacons. (Acts 20:17, 28; Philemon 1:1)

Catholics have a third officer, the priest, who is given authority midway between those of bishops and deacons. The function of the priest is to celebrate the mass. Possibly because Baptists don't have mass, they don't have priests, either. Questions?
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Paragraph 9. The way appointed by Christ for the calling of any person, fitted and gifted by the Holy Spirit, unto the office of bishop or elder in a church, is, that he be chosen thereunto by the common suffrage of the church itself; (Acts 14:23) and solemnly set apart by fasting and prayer, with imposition of hands of the eldership of the church, if there be any before constituted therein; (I Timothy 4:14) and of a deacon that he be chosen by the like suffrage, and set apart by prayer, and the like imposition of hands. (Acts 6:3, 5, 6)

Acts 14:23 refers to specifically only to ordinations by Paul and Barnabas, I Timothy 4:14 to those of the presbytery, and Acts 6:3-6 to the Apostles "laying on of hands," not "the common suffrage of the church itself." For this reason. and because Christ does not need the permission or agreement of church members to select his ministers, Catholic ministers are appointed (ordained) only by other ministers (the "presbytery," or possibly "eldership"), who themselves have previously been ordained "by the laying on of hands." This forms an unbroken line of succession all the way back to the Apostles themselves, who were called by Christ. One of the functions of Catholic bishops is to ordain other bishops, priests and deacons. Questions?
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Paragraph 10. The work of pastors being constantly to attend the service of Christ, in his churches, in the ministry of the word and prayer, with watching for their souls, as they that must give an account to Him; (Acts 6:4 Hebrews 13:17) it is incumbent on the churches to whom they minister, not only to give them all due respect, but also to communicate to them of all their good things according to their ability, (I Timothy 5:17, 18; Galatians 6:6, 7) so as they may have a comfortable supply, without being themselves entangled in secular affairs; (II Timothy 2:4) and may also be capable of exercising hospitality towards others; (I Timothy 3:2) and this is required by the law of nature, and by the express order of our Lord Jesus, who has ordained that they that preach the Gospel should live of the Gospel. (I Corinthians 9:6-14)

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Paragraph 11. Although it be incumbent on the bishops or pastors of the churches, to be instant in preaching the word, by way of office, yet the work of preaching the word is not so peculiarly confined to them but that others also gifted and fitted by the Holy Spirit for it, and approved and called by the church, may and ought to perform it. (Acts 11:19-21; I Peter 4:10, 11

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Paragraph 12. As all believers are bound to join themselves to particular churches, when and where they have opportunity so to do; so all that are admitted unto the privileges of a church, are also under the censures and government thereof, according to the rule of Christ. (I Thessalonians 5:14; II Thessalonians 3:6, 14, 15)

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Paragraph 13. No church members, upon any offence taken by them, having performed their duty required of them towards the person they are offended at, ought to disturb any church-order, or absent themselves from the assemblies of the church, or administration of any ordinances, upon the account of such offence at any of their fellow members, but to wait upon Christ, in the further proceeding of the church. (Matthew 18:15-17; Ephesians 4:2, 3)

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Paragraph 14. As each church, and all the members of it, are bound to pray continually for the good and prosperity of all the churches of Christ, (Ephesians 6:18; Psalms 122:6) in all places, and upon all occasions to further every one within the bounds of their places and callings, in the exercise of their gifts and graces, so the churches, when planted by the providence of God, so as they may enjoy opportunity and advantage for it, ought to hold communion among themselves, for their peace, increase of love, and mutual edification. (Romans 16:1, 2; III John 8-10)

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Paragraph 15. In cases of difficulties or differences, either in point of doctrine or administration, wherein either the churches in general are concerned, or any one church, in their peace, union, and edification; or any member or members of any church are injured, in or by any proceedings in censures not agreeable to truth and order: it is according to the mind of Christ, that many churches holding communion together, do, by their messengers, meet to consider, and give their advice in or about that matter in difference, to be reported to all the churches concerned; (Acts 15:2, 4, 6, 22, 23, 25) howbeit these messengers assembled, are not intrusted with any church-power properly so called; or with any jurisdiction over the churches themselves, to exercise any censures either over any churches or persons; or to impose their determination on the churches or officers. (II Corinthians 1:24; I John 4:1)

Catholics regard this statement as an internal matter affecting the governing of Baptist churches worldwide, a consequence of the autonomous nature of the individual churches. Catholics have a central teaching and administrative authority to preserve unanimity, resolve disputes in matters of doctrine and to impose order. Questions?
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CHAPTER 27; OF THE COMMUNION OF THE SAINTS

Paragraph 1. All saints that are united to Jesus Christ, their head, by his Spirit, and faith, although they are not made thereby one person with him, have fellowship in his graces, sufferings, death, resurrection, and glory; (I John 1:3; John 1:16; Philemon 3:10; Romans 6:5, 6) and, being united to one another in love, they have communion in each others gifts and graces, (Ephesians 4:15, 16; I Corinthians 12:7; 3:21-23) and are obliged to the performance of such duties, public and private, in an orderly way, as do conduce to their mutual good, both in the inward and outward man. (I Thessalonians 5:11, 14; Romans 1:12; I John 3:17, 18; Galatians 6:10)

Paragraph 2. Saints by profession are bound to maintain a holy fellowship and communion in the worship of God, and in performing such other spiritual services as tend to their mutual edification; (Hebrews 10:24, 25, 3:12, 13) as also in relieving each other in outward things according to their several abilities, and necessities; (Acts 11:29, 20) which communion, according to the rule of the Gospel, though especially to be exercised by them, in the relation wherein they stand, whether in families, (Ephesians 6:4) or churches, (I Corinthians 12:14-27) yet, as God offers opportunity, is to be extended to all the household of faith, even all those who in every place call upon the name of the Lord Jesus; nevertheless their communion one with another as saints, does not take away or infringe the title or propriety which each man has in his goods and possessions. (Acts 5:4; Ephesians 4:28)

Catholics understand "the communion of saints" as a communion between the living and those who have died in communion with God. Because of the difference in meaning of the word "saints" as used by Baptists, resolution of the differences of our understanding is not likely. Questions?
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CHAPTER 28; OF BAPTISM AND THE LORD'S SUPPER

Paragraph 1. Baptism and the Lord's Supper are ordinances of positive and sovereign institution, appointed by the Lord Jesus, the only lawgiver, to be continued in his church to the end of the world. (Matthew 28:19, 20; I Corinthians 11:26)

This statement appears compatible with Catholic belief. Catholics believe that Jesus instituted both of them, as well as five other "ordinances," which we call "sacraments." We might, however, take exception to the term "the only lawgiver," since it appears to imply that nobody else, such as civil legislators, have the authority to make laws. It also appears specifically to contradict Matthew 16:19. Questions?
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Paragraph 2. These holy appointments are to be administered by those only who are qualified and thereunto called, according to the commission of Christ. (Matthew 28:19; I Corinthians 4:1)

This statement appears compatible with Catholic belief. The Catholic minister of the Lord's Supper is the priest or bishop. The ordinary minister of Catholic baptism is the priest or deacon. However, Catholics believe that baptism is so important for salvation that anyone, even a pagan (or a Baptist), can validly baptize another if he uses water and the proper words, and has the intention of doing what the Church does when it baptizes. In cases where Baptists are accepted into the Catholic Church, they are sometimes rebaptized due to uncertainty about what the Baptist minister may have intended when he baptized them.Questions?
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CHAPTER 29; OF BAPTISM

Paragraph 1. Baptism is an ordinance of the New Testament, ordained by Jesus Christ, to be unto the party baptized, a sign of his fellowship with him, in his death and resurrection; of his being engrafted into him; (Romans 6:3-5; Colossians 2:12; Galatians 3:27) of remission of sins; (Mark 1:4; Acts 22:16) and of giving up into God, through Jesus Christ, to live and walk in newness of life. (Romans 6:4)

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Paragraph 2. Those who do actually profess repentance towards God, faith in, and obedience to, our Lord Jesus Christ, are the only proper subjects of this ordinance. (Mark 16:16; Acts 8:36, 27, 2:41, 8:12, 18:8)

This represents another fundamental difference between Catholics and Baptists. We believe baptism is the sacrament of initiation by which a non-Christian becomes a Christian, even if he is too young, or otherwise unable, to profess his faith. We consider that those who do not receive some kind of (not necessarily sacramental) baptism are not saved. The Holy Innocents, those babies whom Harod killed to eliminate the Baby Jesus (Matthew 2:16), have always been considered saints by Catholics. This is not because of a belief that they were innocent, but because they were holy, having died in the service of God. We call this "baptism of blood." Because we do not know of any means other than baptism by which we can be saved, we consider it appropriate to baptize infants soon after birth, and other unbaptized persons in danger of death. Questions?
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Paragraph 3. The outward element to be used in this ordinance is water, wherein the party is to be baptized, in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. (Matthew 28:19, 20; Acts 8:38)

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Paragraph 4. Immersion, or dipping of the person in water, is necessary to the due administration of this ordinance. (Matthew 3:16; John 3:23)

Both of the references cited refer to the (Jewish) Baptism of John (in the Jewish tradition), an ordnance of the Old Testament. Catholics agree that Christian baptism is an "ordnance of the new Testament" after the redemptive death and resurrection of Christ which created the blessings which Christian baptism administers. There is no evidence whatever (and quite a bit of logical evidence against the assertion) that John baptised "in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit." Neither reference demonstrates that immersion is necessary in Christian baptism. For Catholics, Christian baptism consists in symbolic washing (including, but not limited to, immersion), while saying the words required.

Catholics consider the baptism of John to be fundamentally different than that of Christianity. Jesus himself received it, indicating that the baptism that he received was not "a sign of his fellowship" with himself, or in his death (which had yet to occur) and resurrection (ditto), or of his being engrafted into himself, or remission of sins (which he didn't commit), etc., referred to in Paragraph 1, above.

We note that Acts records that when Paul was in Ephesus, he found devout disciples who had been baptized by John. He insisted that they be again baptized as Christians "in the name of the Lord Jesus." (Acts 19:1-5)

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CHAPTER 30; OF THE LORD'S SUPPER

Paragraph 1. The supper of the Lord Jesus was instituted by him the same night wherein he was betrayed, to be observed in his churches, unto the end of the world, for the perpetual remembrance, and showing to all the world the sacrifice of himself in his death, (I Corinthians 11:23-26) confirmation of the faith of believers in all the benefits thereof, their spiritual nourishment, and growth in him, their further engagement in, and to all duties which they owe to him; and to be a bond and pledge of their communion with him, and with each other. (I Corinthians 10:16, 17, 21)

This statement appears compatible with Catholic belief, although Catholics believe far more about it than indicated here. Questions?
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Paragraph 2. In this ordinance Christ is not offered up to his Father, nor any real sacrifice made at all for remission of sin of the quick or dead, but only a memorial of that one offering up of himself by himself upon the cross, once for all; (Hebrews 9:25, 26, 28) and a spiritual oblation of all possible praise unto God for the same. (I Corinthians 11:24; Matthew 26:26, 27) So that the popish sacrifice of the mass, as they call it, is most abominable, injurious to Christ's own sacrifice the alone propitiation for all the sins of the elect.

Scripture does not support these assertions. First of all, the actual event of the Lord's Supper, called "Eucharist" or "holy communion" by Catholics, is recorded in remarkably similar language in the three Synoptic Gospels (Matthew 26:26-28, Mark 14:22-25, and Luke 22:19-20) as well as in I Corinthians 11:23-25. Catholics note that Jesus did not say, or in any way even imply, "this represents my body," or "this is a memorial of my body." What he said was, "This is my body ... this is my blood..." If Scripture is to be believed, it is difficult to conclude other than that the bread and wine (note: wine) that Jesus took had become his own, personal physical body and blood, which were about to be given to the Apostles and later sacrificed for them on the Cross, as he himself specifically stated.

We note that Jesus previously promised that he would give us his flesh to eat and blood to drink in John 6:51-57. We claim that "the Lord's Supper" is the fulfillment of that promise.

The implications for Catholics are that, since Jesus said to "do this," Christian ministers (priests and bishops) are obligated to take bread and wine and say the words he said over them. We believe that by his power as God the Son, passed on through the laying on of hands in unbroken succession from the Apostles to his ministers today, the bread and wine thereby become the actual and true body and blood of the risen and glorified Christ. Saint Paul reminded the Christians of Corinth that what they were doing was the same thing, and had the same effect, as when Jesus did it. (I Corinthians 11:23-25)

Catholics maintain that since the Eucharist consists of the body and blood of Christ, who is also God, it is the same body and blood, that was offered on the cross, and the same risen body and blood that now reigns gloriously and immortal with the Father in paradise. By partaking of the Lord's Supper, therefore, we are able to partake of the same, single, unique sacrifice of Christ for the redemption of all mankind.

The act of reception of communion by Catholics is a public demonstration of this belief, signified by the minister announcing, "The body (or, in the case of the cup, "the blood") of Christ," and recipient saying, "Amen."

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Paragraph 3. The Lord Jesus hath, in this ordinance, appointed his ministers to pray, and bless the elements of bread and wine, and thereby to set them apart from a common to a holy use, and to take and break the bread; to take the cup, and, they communicating also themselves, to give both to the communicants. (I Corinthians 11:23-26, etc.)

Catholics would insert the words "say the words of consecration, genuflect as a sign of reverence to Christ" after the word "cup" in this statement. Questions?
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Paragraph 4. The denial of the cup to the people, worshiping the elements, the lifting them up, or carrying them about for adoration, and reserving them for any pretended religious use, are all contrary to the nature of this ordinance, and to the institution of Christ.
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Matthew 26:26-28, 15:9, Exodus 20:4, 5

Perhaps surprisingly, modern Catholics would probably agree with the remark about the cup. Eastern rite Catholics have regularly received from the cup since ancient times, but the western churches have commonly employed this practice only since the Second Vatican Council. Reception from the cup by the faithful occasionally occurred previously under special circumstances.

For the rest of the statement, the operative word here are "elements," bread and wine, the worship of which Catholics agree would indeed be "contrary to the institution of Christ." Catholics believe that the "elements" become the body and blood of Christ, and thus are completely different than "the elements" they were before the words of consecration. We can hardly be guilty of impropriety when we worship what we devoutly believe is truly our Lord and Savior. We worship God in the person of Jesus Christ, not bakery products or alcoholic beverages.

Since the Reformers based their reasoning on the belief that the bread and wine do not become the actual body and blood of Jesus, their conclusions, while entirely logical, were equally as contrary to Catholic belief.

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Paragraph 5. The outward elements in this ordinance, duly set apart to the use ordained by Christ, have such relation to him crucified, as that truly, although in terms used figuratively, they are sometimes called by the names of the things they represent, in other words, the body and blood of Christ, (I Corinthians 11:27) albeit, in substance and nature, they still remain truly and only bread and wine, as they were before. (I Corinthians 11:26-28)

Paragraph 6. That doctrine which maintains a change of the substance of bread and wine, into the substance of Christ's body and blood, commonly called transubstantiation, by consecration of a priest, or by any other way, is repugnant not to Scripture alone, (Acts 3:21; Luke 3:21, 29) but even to common sense and reason, overthrows the nature of the ordinance, and has been, and is, the cause of manifold superstitions, yea, of gross idolatries. (I Corinthians 11:24, 25)

Paragraph 7. Worthy receivers, outwardly partaking of the visible elements in this ordinance, do then also inwardly by faith, really and indeed, yet not carnally and corporally, but spiritually receive, and feed upon Christ crucified, and all the benefits of his death; the body and blood of Christ being then not corporally or carnally, but spiritually present to the faith of believers in that ordinance, as the elements themselves are to their outward senses. (I Corinthians 10:16, 11:23-26)

These statements represent the fundamental distinction between Baptist understanding of the Lord's Supper, and that of Catholics. There does not appear to be any reasonably foreseeable opportunity for resolution of this dichotomy. Questions?
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Paragraph 8. All ignorant and ungodly persons, as they are unfit to enjoy communion with Christ, so are they unworthy of the Lord's table, and cannot, without great sin against him, while they remain such, partake of these holy mysteries, or be admitted thereunto; (II Corinthians 6:14, 15) yea, whosoever shall receive unworthily, are guilty of the body and blood of the Lord, eating and drinking judgment to themselves. (I Corinthians 6:14; Matthew 7:6)

Catholics agree. This is the reason why Baptists, who do not share our belief in the actual partaking of the body and blood of the risen Christ, are not invited to receive it with us. Likewise, devout Catholics do not participate in the Baptist ceremony. Since the Catholic reception is a public profession of our belief, anyone who participates but does not so believe is publicly telling a lie, which seems highly "unworthy" to us. Questions?
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CHAPTER 31; OF THE STATE OF MAN AFTER DEATH, AND OF THE RESURRECTION OF THE DEAD

Paragraph 1. The bodies of men after death return to dust, and see corruption; (Genesis 3:19; Acts 13:36) but their souls, which neither die nor sleep, having an immortal subsistence, immediately return to God who gave them. (Ecclesiastes 12:7) The souls of the righteous being then made perfect in holiness, are received into paradise, where they are with Christ, and behold the face of God in light and glory, waiting for the full redemption of their bodies; (Luke 23:43; II Corinthians 5:1, 6, 8; Philemon 1:23; Hebrews 12:23) and the souls of the wicked are cast into hell; where they remain in torment and utter darkness, reserved to the judgment of the great day; (Jude 6, 7; I Peter 3:19; Luke 16:23, 24) besides these two places, for souls separated from their bodies, the Scripture acknowledgeth none.

Since Catholics do not share the Baptist belief that the righteous are made perfect at death while those of the wicked are destined to be condemned, we are presented with the problem of what happens to those who are not yet perfect nor so wicked as to deserve everlasting condemnation. Our belief in both the mercy and justice of God leads us to the conclusion that only those who have completely turned away from God, if any, are lost, and therefore that there must be, and is, a state or condition in which the less than perfect souls of the otherwise righteous are purified. This state or condition we call "purgatory" (literally: "a place to vomit what makes one sick.") The fact that this is not found in Scripture is not seen as proof that does not exist. Scripture does not record who the maternal grandparents of Jesus were, the existence of North America, or of nuclear fusion in the sun (which provides the energy for all life on earth), either. Questions?
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Paragraph 2. At the last day, such of the saints as are found alive, shall not sleep, but be changed; (I Corinthians 15:51, 52; I Thessalonians 4:17) and all the dead shall be raised up with the selfsame bodies, and none other; (Job 19:26, 27) although with different qualities, which shall be united again to their souls forever. (I Corinthians 15:42, 43)

Catholics also believe in the resurrection of the body and the life of the world to come; it is the final statement in our creeds. Questions?
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Paragraph 3. The bodies of the unjust shall, by the power of Christ, be raised to dishonour; the bodies of the just, by his Spirit, unto honour, and be made conformable to his own glorious body. (Acts 24:15; John 5:28, 29; Philemon 3:21)

This statement appears compatible with Catholic belief. We might insert the words "if any" between the words "unjust" and "shall." Questions?
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CHAPTER 32; OF THE LAST JUDGMENT

Paragraph 1. God has appointed a day wherein he will judge the world in righteousness, by Jesus Christ; (Acts 17:31; John 5:22 , 27) to whom all power and judgment is given of the Father; in which day, not only the apostate angels shall be judged, (I Corinthians 6:3; Jude 6) but likewise all persons that have lived upon the earth shall appear before the tribunal of Christ, to give an account of their thoughts, words, and deeds, and to receive according to what they have done in the body, whether good or evil. (II Corinthians 5:10; Ecclesiastes 12:14; Matthew 12:36; Romans 14:10, 12; Matthew 25:32-46)

This statement appears compatible with Catholic belief. We call this the "General Judgment." Questions?
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Paragraph 2. The end of God's appointing this day, is for the manifestation of the glory of his mercy, in the eternal salvation of the elect; and of his justice, in the eternal damnation of the reprobate, who are wicked and disobedient; (Romans 9:22, 23) for then shall the righteous go into everlasting life, and receive that fulness of joy and glory with everlasting rewards, in the presence of the Lord; but the wicked, if any, who do not know God, and do not obey the Gospel of Jesus Christ, shall be cast aside into everlasting torments, (Matthew 25:21, 24; II Timothy 4:8) and punished with everlasting destruction, from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power. (Matthew 25:46; Mark 9:48; II Thessalonians 1:7-10)

Catholics share a belief with Baptists in the General Judgment, in which the righteous will "receive that fulness of joy and glory with everlasting rewards" and the wicked, if any, "shall be cast aside into everlasting torments." We may, however, disagree about who those people will be. As a testament to God's justice, as well as His love for mankind, we would certainly include all those who had sought God with a sincere heart and devoutly had striven to discharge their duty to him, especially among His Chosen People, as the "righteous." Questions?
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Paragraph 3. As Christ would have us to be certainly persuaded that there shall be a day of judgment, both to deter all men from sin, (II Corinthians 5:10, 11) and for the greater consolation of the godly in their adversity, (II Thessalonians 1:5-7) so will he have the day unknown to men, that they may shake off all carnal security, and be always watchful, because they know not at what hour the Lord will come, (Mark 13:35-37; Luke 12:35-40) and may ever be prepared to say, Come Lord Jesus; come quickly. (Revelation 22:20) Amen.

Catholics agree. We consider that any attempt to foretell this date, from Scripture or any other way, is incompatible with this belief. Questions?
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THE BAPTIST FAITH AND MESSAGE

Here follows the commentary on the Baptist Faith and Message from the Official website of the Southern Baptist Convention (SBC). Chapter titles link to the respective chapters the SBC document, while the Roman numerals preceding the titles link to the commentary on that chapter in this document. Since each referenced page of the SBC document opens in its own window in addition to this one, you can get rid of it by just closing it and continue reading here. If you use one of the Roman numerals to go somewhere in this document, you have to click your BACK button to get back. I am pretty sure this arrangement conforms to all the requirements of relevant copyright laws.

CHAPTER TITLES

I. The Scriptures   X. Last Things
II. God   XI. Evangelism and Missions
III. Man   XII. Education
IV. Salvation   XIII. Stewardship
V. God's Purpose of Grace   XIV. Cooperation
VI. The Church   XV. The Christian and the Social Order
VII. Baptism and the Lord's Supper   XVI. Peace and War
VIII. The Lord's Day   XVII. Religious Liberty
IX. The Kingdom   XVIII. The Family

I. THE SCRIPTURES

Exodus 24:4; Deuteronomy 4:1-2; 17:19; Joshua 8:34; Psalms 19:7-10; 119:11, 89, 105, 140; Isaiah 34:16; 40:8; Jeremiah 15:16; 36:1-32; Matthew 5:17-18; 22:29; Luke 21:33; 24:44-46; John 5:39; 16:13-15; 17:17; Acts 2:16ff.; 17:11; Romans 15:4; 16:25-26; II Timothy 3:15-17; Hebrews 1:1-2; 4:12; I Peter 1:25; II Peter 1:19-21.

Please see the comments at Chapter 1 Paragraph 1. Questions?
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II. GOD

The Baptist concept of a single all knowing, all loving, all perfect and almighty God, the Father, Son and Holy Spirit appears compatible with Catholic, Jewish, Muslim, and several other religion's belief. Questions?
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A. God the Father

Genesis 1:1; 2:7; Exodus 3:14; 6:2-3; 15:11ff.; 20:1ff.; Leviticus 22:2; Deuteronomy 6:4; 32:6; I Chronicles 29:10; Psalm 19:1-3; Isaiah 43:3, 15; 64:8; Jeremiah 10:10; 17:13; Matthew 6:9ff.; 7:11; 23:9; 28:19; Mark 1:9-11; John 4:24; 5:26; 14:6-13; 17:1-8; Acts 1:7; Romans 8:14-15; I Corinthians 8:6; Galatians 4:6; Ephesians 4:6; Colossians 1:15; I Timothy 1:17; Hebrews 11:6; 12:9; I Peter 1:17; I John 5:7.

Catholics maintain that God governs the universe and keeps it in existence. We would say that He is "Father in truth" to all people, but in a special way to those who become His children by that union with Him which we call Sanctifying Grace, received through baptism. We do not believe that God needs man's belief, or anything else, to be his Father. Questions?
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B. God the Son

Genesis 18:1ff.; Psalms 2:7ff.; 110:1ff.; Isaiah 7:14; 53; Matthew 1:18-23; 3:17; 8:29; 11:27; 14:33; 16:16, 27; 17:5; 27; 28:1-6, 19; Mark 1:1; 3:11; Luke 1:35; 4:41; 22:70; 24:46; John 1:1-18, 29; 10:30, 38; 11:25-27; 12:44-50; 14:7-11; 16:15-16, 28; 17:1-5, 21-22; 20:1-20, 28; Acts 1:9; 2:22-24; 7:55-56; 9:4-5, 20; Romans 1:3-4; 3:23-26; 5:6-21; 8:1-3, 34; 10:4; I Corinthians 1:30; 2:2; 8:6; 15:1-8, 24-28; II Corinthians 5:19-21; 8:9; Galatians 4:4-5; Ephesians 1:20; 3:11; 4:7-10; Philippians 2:5-11; Colossians 1:13-22; 2:9; I Thessalonians 4:14-18; I Timothy 2:5-6; 3:16; Titus 2:13-14; Hebrews 1:1-3; 4:14-15; 7:14-28; 9:12-15, 24-28; 12:2; 13:8; I Peter 2:21-25; 3:22; I John 1:7-9; 3:2; 4:14-15; 5:9; II John 7-9; Revelation 1:13-16; 5:9-14; 12:10-11; 13:8; 19:16.

The Catholic Nicene Greed, recited at Mass, expresses a belief, among other things, in one God, the Father almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all things visible and invisible, as well as in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Only Begotten Son of God, born of the Father before all ages... consubstantial with the Father [who] for us men and for our salvation came down from heaven, by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary, and became man. For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate, he suffered death and was buried, and rose again on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures. He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead and his kingdom will have no end." This belief appears to coincide with that expressed in this section. Questions?
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C. God the Holy Spirit

Genesis 1:2; Judges 14:6; Job 26:13; Psalms 51:11; 139:7ff.; Isaiah 61:1-3; Joel 2:28-32; Matthew 1:18; 3:16; 4:1; 12:28-32; 28:19; Mark 1:10, 12; Luke 1:35; 4:1, 18-19; 11:13; 12:12; 24:49; John 4:24; 14:16-17, 15:26; 16:7-14; Acts 1:8; 2:1-4, 38; 4:31; 5:3; 6:3; 7:55; 8:17, 39; 10:44; 13:2; 15:28; 16:6; 19:1-6; Romans 8:9-11, 14-16, 26-27; I Corinthians 2:10-14; 3:16; 12:3-11, 13; Galatians 4:6; Ephesians 1:13-14; 4:30; 5:18; I Thessalonians 5:19; I Timothy 3:16; 4:1; II Timothy 1:14; 3:16; Hebrews 9:8, 14; II Peter 1:21; I John 4:13; 5:6-7; Revelation 1:10; 22:17.

Catholics agree with this belief in the nature and works of the Holy Spirit except for the words "His presence in the Christian is the guarantee that God will bring the believer into the fullness of the stature of Christ." We believe that, even though the Holy Spirit is present in those who are in a state of grace, this presence can by lost by a willful rejection of it by grievous sin "unto death." The statement itself appears to be support for the doctrine of predestination, which Catholics reject. Questions?
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III. Man

Genesis 1:26-30; 2:5, 7, 18-22; 3; 9:6; Psalms 1; 8:3-6; 32:1-5; 51:5; Isaiah 6:5; Jeremiah 17:5; Matthew 16:26; Acts 17:26-31; Romans 1:19-32; 3:10-18, 23; 5:6, 12, 19; 6:6; 7:14-25; 8:14-18, 29; I Corinthians 1:21-31; 15:19, 21-22; Ephesians 2:1-22; Colossians 1:21-22; 3:9-11.

Catholics agree that man is the special creation of God, made in His own image, and therefore would cease to be human if this image of God were absent, for example, if even unregenerated man were "wholly defiled in all the faculties and parts of soul and body." We note that Scripture maintains that "God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female..." (Genesis 1:27), and that the natural function of the human family, to cooperate with God in the creation, redemption and sanctification of new citizens of His kingdom, gives even unregenerated man a blessed association with God that is unique to our essential nature.

We agree that we inherit from our first parents the consequences of their first sin by which they lost the special innocence in which humanity was created, but we find the statement "Therefore, as soon as they are capable of moral action, they become transgressors and are under condemnation" to be subject to discussion. Our doctrine of Original Sin is that man is conceived in sin, and that therefore all are in need of redemption. We agree, of course, that as soon as they are capable of moral action, humans are capable of committing personal sins, for which, if any, they incur personal guilt before God, also. We do not agree that we "become transgressors and are under condemnation" because of this capability, however.

Our belief in the "sacredness of human personality... evident in that God created man in His own image, and in that Christ died for all human beings," is evidence not only that "every person of every race possesses full dignity and is worthy of respect and Christian love," but also that God gives to "every person of every race" the means of achieving salvation.

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IV SALVATION

Genesis 3:15; Exodus 3:14-17; 6:2-8; Matthew 1:21; 4:17; 16:21-26; 27:22-28:6; Luke 1:68-69; 2:28-32; John 1:11-14, 29; 3:3-21, 36; 5:24; 10:9, 28-29; 15:1-16; 17:17; Acts 2:21; 4:12; 15:11; 16:30-31; 17:30-31; 20:32; Romans 1:16-18; 2:4; 3:23-25; 4:3ff.; 5:8-10; 6:1-23; 8:1-18, 29-39; 10:9-10, 13; 13:11-14; I Corinthians 1:18, 30; 6:19-20; 15:10; II Corinthians 5:17-20; Galatians 2:20; 3:13; 5:22-25; 6:15; Ephesians 1:7; 2:8-22; 4:11-16; Philippians 2:12-13; Colossians 1:9-22; 3:1ff.; I Thessalonians 5:23-24; II Timothy 1:12; Titus 2:11-14; Hebrews 2:1-3; 5:8-9; 9:24-28; 11:1-12:8, 14; James 2:14-26; I Peter 1:2-23; I John 1:6-2:11; Revelation 3:20; 21:1-22:5.

Catholics would say that "Salvation involves the redemption of the whole man, and is offered freely to" all by Jesus Christ, "who by His own blood obtained eternal redemption for" all mankind. We maintain that the love of Jesus Christ for all human beings makes it possible for him to save also those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of Jesus Christ or of the Gospel. Questions?
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A. Regeneration

Catholics believe that regeneration does not necessarily produce a change of heart, since the regenerated may already be striving toward God with loving and devoted reverence.

We also do not agree that the regenerated are necessarily given faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, or that repentance and faith are inseparable experiences of grace. Our position is that repentance is given only to the extent that it is needed, and that faith is given only to some, but that salvation is available to all.

As an example, we believe that, because their are conceived in sin, even infants who are far too young to be in need of repentance or to have faith, are nonetheless in need of the grace of regeneration, since they are conceived in Original Sin. For them, as well as older persons who are innocently ignorant of the Gospel, knowledge of, or belief in, Jesus Christ is unnecessary.

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B. Justification

Catholics would agree that Justification is God's full acquittal all sinners who repent, including those guilty of only Original Sin. We do not maintain that belief in Christ is a prerequisite for it, as in the case, for example, of infants or the unborn. Questions?
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C. Sanctification

We would say that Sanctification is not necessarily an experience, but that the sanctified person is indeed "set apart to God's purposes, and is enabled to progress toward moral and spiritual maturity through the presence and power of the Holy Spirit dwelling in him." We agree that this should continue throughout a person's life. Questions?
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D. Glorification

We would agree that glorification is the state of the saints in heaven, the "final blessed and abiding state of the redeemed." Questions?
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V. GOD'S PURPOSE OF GRACE

Genesis 12:1-3; Exodus 19:5-8; I Samuel 8:4-7, 8:4-22; Isaiah 5:1-7; Jeremiah 31:31ff.; Matthew 16:18-19; 21:28-45; 24:22, 31; 25:34; Luke 1:68-79; 2:29-32; 19:41-44; 24:44-48; John 1:12-14; 3:16; 5:24; 6:44-45, 65; 10:27-29; 15:16; 17:6, 12, 17-18; Acts 20:32; Romans 5:9-10; 8:28-39; 10:12-15; 11:5-7, 26-36; I Corinthians 1:1-2; 15:24-28; Ephesians 1:4-23; 2:1-10; 3:1-11; Colossians 1:12-14; II Thessalonians 2:13-14; II Timothy 1:12; 2:10, 19; Hebrews 11:39­12:2; James 1:12; I Peter 1:2-5,13; 2:4-10; I John 1:7-9; 1:7; 3:2.

Catholics would agree that God "sanctifies, and glorifies sinners" in cooperation "with the free agency of man," but reject the doctrine of predestination, however expounded. Please see the comments at Chapter 3 Paragraph 7. We maintain that although salvation is available to all, it is guaranteed to no one, because it would be a violation of "the free agency of man" to take away his freedom of choice. We therefore work our salvation with "fear and trembling" (Philippians 2:12), not guaranteed of our final victory until the moment of death.

If, hopefully, we persist until the end imbued with the saving redemption of Christ, we achieve our eternal reward along with our Baptist, Jewish, Muslim and other brothers and sisters who do likewise.

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VI. The Church

Matthew 16:15-19; 18:15-20; Acts 2:41-42, 47; 5:11-14; 6:3-6; 13:1-3; 14:23, 27; 15:1-30; 16:5; 20:28; Romans 1:7; I Corinthians 1:2; 3:16; 5:4-5; 7:17; 9:13-14; 12; Ephesians 1:22-23; 2:19-22; 3:8-11, 21; 5:22-32; Philippians 1:1; Colossians 1:18; I Timothy 2:9-14; 3:1-15; 4:14; Hebrews 11:39-40; I Peter 5:1-4; Revelation 2-3; 21:2-3

Catholic churches are not autonomous. Each one is governed by a pastor responsible to the local bishop, who is responsible to the pope, who is responsible to Christ. The congregation consists of baptized Catholics and those under instruction prior to baptism, called catechumans. Observation of and participation in prayer, hearing the preaching of Scripture and ceremonies (but not the sacraments) of nonbelievers is encouraged.

In addition to the "ordinances" (called "sacraments" by Catholics) of the Lord's Supper and Baptism, Catholics recognize five others: Reconciliation, Confirmation in the Holy Spirit, Laying on of Hands (called "Holy Orders"), Matrimony and Anointing of the Sick, the last of which is usually done wherever the sick are. Baptists probably do some, or all of these things, too.

The only thing democratic about the Catholic Church is the election of a pope, and then only by cardinals (papal electors) appointed by previous popes specifically for that purpose. Bishops, priests and deacons are appointed by their superiors. Although there are councils and associations of various kinds, such as the United States Council of Catholic Bishops, they function as information exchanges and advisory bodies only. Their decisions are binding on Catholics only when ratified by appropriate authority.

Catholics believe that Lordship of Christ, the Good Shepherd, operates not by the consent of the "sheep," but by the ministers whom he has appointed, because "He that heareth you heareth me" (Luke 10:16). All Catholic clergy are male. In accordance with the tradition of Christ, with which She is entrusted, the Church does not have the authority to confer the Sacrament of Orders upon women, thus making discussion of whether or not that would be a good idea moot. The pope, who holds the office entrusted by Christ to Peter, is the final arbiter, when disputes arise, about what must be believed or done to be saved. We maintain that he has this authority, to bind and to loose, because of that office being given the keys to the kingdom of heaven. (Matthew 16:19)

Catholics also believe that the Church is the Body of Christ. This doctrine is expounded in the encyclical Mystici Corporis Christi ("The Mystical Body of Christ"), which is on the Vatican website.

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VII. Baptism and the Lord's Supper

Matthew 3:13-17; 26:26-30; 28:19-20; Mark 1:9-11; 14:22-26; Luke 3:21-22; 22:19-20; John 3:23; Acts 2:41-42; 8:35-39; 16:30-33; 20:7; Romans 6:3-5; I Corinthians 10:16, 21; 11:23-29; Colossians 2:12.

Catholic baptism is a ceremonial washing with water in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, that symbolizes and produces a spiritual cleansing by the Holy Spirit. It is referred to as "the Sacrament of Initiation" because it initiates the recipient into the Church, removes all sins, unites the recipient with Christ, infuses Sanctifying Grace and the Holy Spirit, and makes the recipient a true child of God and heir of heaven. It is therefore a prerequisite to full Church membership and reception of the other Sacraments.

Because Catholics know of no other means except Baptism (John 3:5) by which the merits of Christ are applied to each of us for our salvation, our firm belief in the love and mercy of God compels us to admit that some kind of Baptism, other than that consisting of the Sacrament, is available to devout unbelievers, such as the good thief (Luke 23:43) and the pagan Cornelius. (Acts 10:1-35) We do not see any reason to delay this wonderful gift of God, by reason of which infants who die after receiving it but before they are capable of sin, much less faith in a crucified, buried, and risen Savior, are received immediately into heaven. We agree that the Sacrament symbolizes "death to sin, the burial of the old life, and the resurrection to walk in newness of life in Christ Jesus" for those sinners for whom it accomplishes these purposes.

The official Catholic liturgical celebration of the Lord's Supper is the mass. Catholics believe it is one and the same act as Christ's Last Supper with the Apostles and his sacrifice on the Cross, in which his actual body and blood, under the appearance of bread and wine, are offered in reparation for the sins of mankind in one, single, unique, everlasting sacrifice, until he comes again.

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VIII. The Lord's Day

Exodus 20:8-11; Matthew 12:1-12; 28:1ff.; Mark 2:27-28; 16:1-7; Luke 24:1-3, 33-36; John 4:21-24; 20:1, 19-28; Acts 20:7; Romans 14:5-10; I Corinthians 16:1-2; Colossians 2:16; 3:16; Revelation 1:10.

Catholics also celebrate the first day of the week as the Lord's Day. We are obliged to attend mass on Sunday to "commemorate the resurrection of Christ from the dead as worship and public spiritual devotion." Commensurate with the their consciences and the precepts of the Church under the Lordship of Jesus Christ, Catholics avoid unnecessary work on Sunday. Questions?
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IX. The Kingdom

Genesis 1:1; Isaiah 9:6-7; Jeremiah 23:5-6; Matthew 3:2; 4:8-10, 23; 12:25-28; 13:1-52; 25:31-46; 26:29; Mark 1:14-15; 9:1; Luke 4:43; 8:1; 9:2; 12:31-32; 17:20-21; 23:42; John 3:3; 18:36; Acts 1:6-7; 17:22-31; Romans 5:17; 8:19; I Corinthians 15:24-28; Colossians 1:13; Hebrews 11:10, 16; 12:28; I Peter 2:4-10; 4:13; Revelation 1:6, 9; 5:10; 11:15; 21-22.

God is King over everything and everybody. Catholics refer to the Kingdom of Heaven as being His reign over the Communion of Saints, which grows as new members are added and the spirituality of mankind matures. It is this for which we pray by saying "Thy Kingdom come" in the Lord's Prayer. We agree that "the full consummation of the Kingdom awaits the return of Jesus Christ."

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X. Last Things

Isaiah 2:4; 11:9; Matthew 16:27; 18:8-9; 19:28; 24:27, 30, 36, 44; 25:31-46; 26:64; Mark 8:38; 9:43-48; Luke 12:40, 48; 16:19-26; 17:22-37; 21:27-28; John 14:1-3; Acts 1:11; 17:31; Romans 14:10; I Corinthians 4:5; 15:24-28, 35-58; II Corinthians 5:10; Philippians 3:20-21; Colossians 1:5; 3:4; I Thessalonians 4:14-18; 5:1ff.; II Thessalonians 1:7ff.; 2; I Timothy 6:14; II Timothy 4:1, 8; Titus 2:13; Hebrews 9:27-28; James 5:8; II Peter 3:7ff.; John 2:28; 3:2; Jude 14; Revelation 1:18; 3:11; 20:1-22:13.

Catholics also believe that Christ, who is both man and God, will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead according to their deeds. We believe that "the dead will be raised," reunited with their own bodies, to be judged by him in righteousness. The unrighteous, if any, will be consigned to Hell, which was "prepared for the devil and his angels" (Matthew 25:41), not necessarily people, by far the most severe torment of which is eternal separation from God. "The righteous in their resurrected and glorified bodies will receive their reward, which is to dwell forever in Heaven with the Lord." Questions?
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XI. Evangelism and Missions

Genesis 12:1-3; Exodus 19:5-6; Isaiah 6:1-8; Matthew 9:37-38; 10:5-15; 13:18-30, 16:19; 22:9-10; 24:14; 28:18-20; Luke 10:1-18; 24:46-53; John 14:11-12; 15:7-8, 16; 17:15; 20:21; Acts 1:8; 2; 8:26-40; 10:42-48; 13:2-3; Romans 10:13-15; Ephesians 3:1-11; I Thessalonians 1:8; II Timothy 4:5; Hebrews 2:1-3; 11:39-12:2; I Peter 2:4-10; Revelation 22:17.

Catholics believe it is specifically the duty of the Church in its members, as well as in its ministers, to carry out the mandate of Christ. This is to "teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded." (Matthew 28:19-20). Evangelism in one's own community is no less a fulfillment of this duty than is missionary activity abroad. It can usually be best accomplished by witness to Christ through social communication when appropriate, a life of conspicuous holiness, and by other methods in harmony with the Gospel of Christ.

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XII. Education

Deuteronomy 4:1, 5, 9, 14; 6:1-10; 31:12-13; Nehemiah 8:1-8; Job 28:28; Psalms 19:7ff.; 119:11; Proverbs 3:13ff.; 4:1-10; 8:1-7,11; 15:14; Ecclesiastes 7:19; Matthew 5:2; 7:24ff.; 28:19-20; Luke 2:40; I Corinthians 1:18-31; Ephesians 4:11-16; Philippians 4:8; Colossians 2:3, 8-9; I Timothy 1:3-7; II Timothy 2:15; 3:14-17; Hebrews 5:12-6:3; James 1:5; 3:17.

The process of evangelization necessarily includes education of the intellect of each person. This is a function of the Church first in the home, by the parents, the direct, immediate, personal representatives of Christ to their children. It is a duty of the Church to support the parents in the execution of this sacred duty, and to supplement it by institutions of various levels of learning beyond the teaching ability of the parents. Faith and reason are complementary; one supports and enlightens the other. For this reason, Catholics have established schools, colleges and universities for centuries, all over the world. Every parish has or supports a Catholic grade school. Every diocese has or supports a Catholic high school. Some of the finest of these are staffed by ordained ministers of the Catholic Church or members of Catholic religious orders.

In matters of faith or morals, the validity of the Church's official teaching, (but not necessarily the transmission of it) is guaranteed by the Holy Spirit. Christian education is the teaching of truth. Academics are free to select the means most effectively to do this, the truths to be taught, and means of recognizing the academic and intellectual achievements of their students and colleagues. This freedom, however, comes with a corresponding responsibility, to assure, insofar as possible, that what is taught as truth is, in fact, true. It is objectively seriously evil to pollute the minds of those who hunger and thirst for knowledge with falsehood and lies, or opinions masquerading as fact. Catholics consider the freedom of teachers of all disciplines to be enhanced, not limited, by their free decision to adhere to truth in their education of their students.

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XIII. Stewardship

Genesis 14:20; Leviticus 27:30-32; Deuteronomy 8:18; Malachi 3:8-12; Matthew 6:1-4, 19-21; 19:21; 23:23; 25:14-29; Luke 12:16-21, 42; 16:1-13; Acts 2:44-47; 5:1-11; 17:24-25; 20:35; Romans 6:6-22; 12:1-2; I Corinthians 4:1-2; 6:19-20; 12; 16:1-4; II Corinthians 8-9; 12:15; Philippians 4:10-19; I Peter 1:18-19.

Catholics would probably agree that everyone should contribute of their means for the advancement of the Redeemer's cause on earth which is, of course, the ultimate good of the human race.

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XIV. Cooperation

Exodus 17:12; 18:17ff.; Judges 7:21; Ezra 1:3-4; 2:68-69; 5:14-15; Nehemiah 4; 8:1-5; Matthew 10:5-15; 20:1-16; 22:1-10; 28:19-20; Mark 2:3; Luke 10:1ff.; Acts 1:13-14; 2:1ff.; 4:31-37; 13:2-3; 15:1-35; I Corinthians 1:10-17; 3:5-15; 12; II Corinthians 8-9; Galatians 1:6-10; Ephesians 4:1-16; Philippians 1:15-18.

Catholics regard the organization of and cooperation in human associations as being a natural activity of mankind directed toward peace and harmony in love which is the only commandment of Christianity (John 13:34). Social and fraternal organizations fall into this category, as do representative governments. The authority of each that it has over its members is by consent of the governed, and members are therefore freely bound in conscience to abide by the decisions and mandates of such authority.

The Church, however, is an establishment of God, not man, and derives its authority directly from God Himself, exercised through His ordained ministers. Other, man-made, organizations can and often do provide advice, counsel and other services to His ministers to enable them more effectively to carry out their respective responsibilities to God and their immediate superiors. Among these is "carrying forward the missionary, educational, and benevolent ministries for the extension of Christ's Kingdom."

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XV. The Christian and the Social Order

Exodus 20:3-17; Leviticus 6:2-5; Deuteronomy 10:12; 27:17; Psalm 101:5; Micah 6:8; Zechariah 8:16; Matthew 5:13-16, 43-48; 22:36-40; 25:35; Mark 1:29-34; 2:3ff.; 10:21; Luke 4:18-21; 10:27-37; 20:25; John 15:12; 17:15; Romans 12­14; 1Corinthians 5:9-10; 6:1-7; 7:20-24; 10:23-11:1; Galatians 3:26-28; Ephesians 6:5-9; Colossians 3:12-17; I Thessalonians 3:12; Philemon; James 1:27; 2:8.

Catholics agree that "all Christians are under obligation to seek to make the will of Christ supreme in our own lives and in human society." One of the most visible functions of the pope is to define the Church's teaching on social and moral issues and to apply Scriptural lessons as appropriate to issues of modern society.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church is a compendium of the Church's position on faith and morals. It is published on the Vatican Website at http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc/index.htm or, with links to other references, at http://lindorfer.us/wizard/CCC.html. A .pdf file of the most recent paradigm of Pope Francis for the mission of the Catholic Church can be downloaded from the Vatican Website.

Catholics share with Baptists the belief that "Christians should oppose racism, every form of greed, selfishness, and vice, and all forms of sexual immorality, including adultery, homosexuality, and pornography, [that] we should work to provide for the orphaned, the needy, the abused, the aged, the helpless, and the sick, [and that] we should speak (and strive!) on behalf of the unborn and contend for the sanctity of all human life from conception to natural death."

We also agree that every Christian, and, indeed, every human being, should seek, in accordance with his opportunities, talents and resources, "to bring industry, government, and society as a whole under the sway of the principles of righteousness, truth, and brotherly love." We consider working with "all men of good will in any good cause" as a manifestation of the spirit of love which itself is loyalty to Christ and His truth.

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XVI. Peace and War

Isaiah 2:4; Matthew 5:9, 38-48; 6:33; 26:52; Luke 22:36, 38; Romans 12:18-19; 13:1-7; 14:19; Hebrews 12:14; James 4:1-2.

Catholics agree that Christians should cooperate in seeking peace on principles of righteousness in accordance with the spirit and teachings of Christ. Learning from the evils of the past, we consider it especially necessary to insure that the acceptance of the teachings of Christ and the practical application of his law of love do not cause friction or animosity with persons who seek God through different channels and who may honestly disagree with us on the means by which He may be found.

The teaching of the Catholic Church on the subject of safeguarding peace can be found in the Catechism of the Catholic Church, Paragraph 2302 and following. The statement of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, "The Harvest Of Justice Is Sown In Peace" is available on their website. My personal comments on the Moral Implications of War (from a Catholic's perspective) are at http://lindorfer.us/wizard/War.html.

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XVII. Religious Liberty

Genesis 1:27; 2:7; Matthew 6:6-7, 24; 16:26; 22:21; John 8:36; Acts 4:19-20; Romans 6:1-2; 13:1-7; Galatians 5:1, 13; Philippians 3:20; I Timothy 2:1-2; James 4:12; I Peter 2:12-17; 3:11-17; 4:12-19.

While God alone is Lord of the conscience, as well as everything else, Catholics recognize that it is blank in newborn human beings. It is the duty of every person to form his or her conscience, like the intellect, with the illumination of truth, especially the truth contained in the teaching of Christ. The parents are responsible for this process in their minor children, and the encouragement of it throughout life. They are assisted, as necessary, by society and, particularly, the Church working within it.

We consider the Church and state to be complementary, each to the other, working together, each within its own proper jurisdiction, for the good of society and its members. We do not see the state as having authority over the Church, or vice versa. We agree with Baptists that the church should not resort to the civil power to carry on its work. In particular, this includes regulation of the sacrament of marriage, which is an institution established by God, only to be recognized and defended by the state for the social, economic, cultural and civil benefit of married persons and their children.

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XVIII. The Family

Genesis 1:26-28; 2:15-25; 3:1-20; Exodus 20:12; Deuteronomy 6:4-9; Joshua 24:15; I Samuel 1:26-28; Psalms 51:5; 78:1-8; 127; 128; 139:13-16; Proverbs 1:8; 5:15-20; 6:20-22; 12:4; 13:24; 14:1; 17:6; 18:22; 22:6, 15; 23:13-14; 24:3; 29:15, 17; 31:10-31; Ecclesiastes 4:9-12; 9:9; Malachi 2:14-16; Matthew 5:31-32; 18:2-5; 19:3-9; Mark 10:6-12; Romans 1:18-32; I Corinthians 7:1-16; Ephesians 5:21-33; 6:1-4; Colossians 3:18-21; I Timothy 5:8, 14; II Timothy 1:3-5; Titus 2:3-5; Hebrews 13:4; I Peter 3:1-7.

Catholics believe the family is the domestic Church, established in the union of marriage, to produce new citizens for the Kingdom of God. We agree that the family is the "foundational institution of human society, composed of persons related to one another by marriage, blood, or adoption." We also agree that marriage resembles the union between Christ and His church and provides the framework for intimate companionship, the channel of sexual expression, and the means for procreation of the human race.

While we consider that the foregoing is true of marriages and families generally, we believe that Christ raised marriage between Christians to the dignity of a sacrament, thus giving the natural human function of procreation, "according to biblical standards" (such as a lifetime union between husband and wife) a special spiritual significance. For this reason, we encourage Christians to marry only other Christians and to live and educate their children in the Christian faith. Moreover, we consider legitimate marriages between Christians (not just Catholics) to be indissoluble while they both live, in accordance with the words of Christ Matthew 5:32, 19:6, Mark 10:11-12, Luke 16:18)

Since the family is a natural institution however, it has an intrinsic dignity within human society unrelated to the religious persuasion or affiliation of its members. Catholics recognize this dignity in families of other than Christians, according to practices specific to their society, religion and culture, as a manifestation of the image of God and His love for mankind. We understand the relationship between modern husband and wife not so much in a leader and servant relationship (as it was in the time of St. Paul) as cooperators with God in the creation, redemption and sanctification of their children, who are bound to love and honor them so that their "days may be prolonged, and that it may go well with" them. (Exodus 20:12, Deuteronomy 5:16).

We believe that the state has the function to recognize the fundamental unity of the family, to defend it and the rights of its members, to encourage family harmony, and to assist parents, as in other things, in the care and education of their children. We maintain that the Church of Christ has authority over Christian marriage as it does over the other sacraments. We emphatically do not believe that the state has the authority to define marriage, which is a natural creation of God, as well as, for Christians, a sacramental union as well.

We recognize, however, that the term "marriage" is also used to define a contractual and social relationship recognized by the state, and that the state therefore has jurisdiction over the social aspects implied thereby, including who can legally enter into this relationship with whom. "Law is not concerned with holy matrimony. Government deals with marriage as a civil status - however fundamental."

As regards children, we maintain that the children are human beings from the moment of their conception, however accomplished, and are, as a consequence, of no less intrinsic worth than are adults. We consider it a grave evil, to say no more, for parents to fail in their sacred duty to love, protect, nurture, educate and prepare them for responsible adulthood, or, through irresponsible acts, to bring them into a domestic environment where these responsibilities cannot lovingly be carried out, much less deliberately to kill them before they are even born.

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